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Ugh. Why are we still having this conversation after so many years? Everyone knows the system is broken but no one will fix it.

revelation 9y ago
In Germany universities have joined efforts to at least bargain with Elsevier & others for overall cost reductions: https://www.projekt-deal.de/about-deal/ https://www.projekt-deal.de/about-deal/ Of course in the US with basically unlimited student loan money, no one seems to be in a particular hurry to cut costs.
- Vinnl 9y ago
  > Of course in the US with basically unlimited student loan money, no one seems to be in a particular hurry to cut costs. Well... https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/apr/24/harvard-university-journal-publishers-prices https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/apr/24/harvard-univ...
Vinnl 9y ago
There are many people/organisations trying to fix it (a few examples at [1]). However, it's a system that keeps itself intact and is really hard to change, which I wrote about at [2]. [1] https://medium.com/flockademic/these-trailblazers-are-paving-the-way-for-open-access-7d098172112b https://medium.com/flockademic/these-trailblazers-are-paving... [2] https://medium.com/flockademic/the-vicious-cycle-of-scholarly-publishing-eef794937c9c https://medium.com/flockademic/the-vicious-cycle-of-scholarl...
pfranz 9y ago
I was surprised to see this article because I remember hearing steps to address this in the U.S. over the years. Then I actually saw the article was about New Zealand and comments are about Germany and other countries. After doing a quick search here's some info I found about U.S. federal funding for research: https://scholcomm.columbia.edu/open-access/public-access-mandates-for-federally-funded-research/ https://scholcomm.columbia.edu/open-access/public-access-man... I'm not in the research business, but available after 1 year sounds reasonable to me. I can see the cost in vetting and distributing and how certain businesses and universities would pay a premium for quicker access.

revelation 9y ago

In Germany universities have joined efforts to at least bargain with Elsevier & others for overall cost reductions: https://www.projekt-deal.de/about-deal/ https://www.projekt-deal.de/about-deal/ Of course in the US with basically unlimited student loan money, no one seems to be in a particular hurry to cut costs.

Vinnl 9y ago
> Of course in the US with basically unlimited student loan money, no one seems to be in a particular hurry to cut costs. Well... https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/apr/24/harvard-university-journal-publishers-prices https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/apr/24/harvard-univ...

Vinnl 9y ago

There are many people/organisations trying to fix it (a few examples at [1]). However, it's a system that keeps itself intact and is really hard to change, which I wrote about at [2]. [1] https://medium.com/flockademic/these-trailblazers-are-paving-the-way-for-open-access-7d098172112b https://medium.com/flockademic/these-trailblazers-are-paving... [2] https://medium.com/flockademic/the-vicious-cycle-of-scholarly-publishing-eef794937c9c https://medium.com/flockademic/the-vicious-cycle-of-scholarl...

pfranz 9y ago

I was surprised to see this article because I remember hearing steps to address this in the U.S. over the years. Then I actually saw the article was about New Zealand and comments are about Germany and other countries. After doing a quick search here's some info I found about U.S. federal funding for research: https://scholcomm.columbia.edu/open-access/public-access-mandates-for-federally-funded-research/ https://scholcomm.columbia.edu/open-access/public-access-man... I'm not in the research business, but available after 1 year sounds reasonable to me. I can see the cost in vetting and distributing and how certain businesses and universities would pay a premium for quicker access.