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Yes, this was probably a very isolated incident. Keep telling yourself that.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> Yes, this was probably a very isolated incident. That's not the issue; the harm—and the article explicitly says this—wasn’t the “nudity in a movie”. I’m sure this isn't an isolated incident, either for Wienstein or more generally. But Hayek has done a fair amount of nude work for a mainstream actress, so when she explicitly points to the source of the problem and says it's not the fact of doing nude work for a film, I wonder why your so desperate to recast it as being about nudity in film.
- vmnieowan873 9y ago
  We are talking about sexual harassment here. How could nudity not be the problem? The fact that nudity in film is common allowed Harvey the pretense to demand full-frontal nudity, "the senseless scene," as Hayek described it. The point I'm trying to make, apparently too subtly, is, how many nude scenes were coerced just like Hayek describes the one in Frida in order to satisfy the lusts of the male director/producer/writer just like this? It doesn't seem far-fetched, with all the revelations of sexual harassment coming out, that it's a lot of them. Maybe it's so many that we should simply not tolerate nudity in films. If there was some way to certify that the nude scene wasn't "forced" then it would be OK, but if we accept that this was an act of force on Weinstein's part (Salma could have chosen not to do the movie, yet we all seem to agree this was still evil on the part of Weinstein), then how could that certification ever be done?
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > We are talking about sexual harassment here. How could nudity not be the problem? It was in large part retaliation for Hayek not acceding to Weinstein's demands for sexual favors offscreen. If nudity were categorically prohibited or simply commercially unviable in film, and instead of a “do this scene or no movie” threat Weinstein had simply canned the film in retaliation, or demanded some distasteful (whether or not itself sexual) offscreen favor to avoid such cancellation in retaliation, it would have been just as much of an act of sexual harassment. The problem here has nothing to.do with nudity.

> Yes, this was probably a very isolated incident. That's not the issue; the harm—and the article explicitly says this—wasn’t the “nudity in a movie”. I’m sure this isn't an isolated incident, either for Wienstein or more generally. But Hayek has done a fair amount of nude work for a mainstream actress, so when she explicitly points to the source of the problem and says it's not the fact of doing nude work for a film, I wonder why your so desperate to recast it as being about nudity in film.

vmnieowan873 9y ago
We are talking about sexual harassment here. How could nudity not be the problem? The fact that nudity in film is common allowed Harvey the pretense to demand full-frontal nudity, "the senseless scene," as Hayek described it. The point I'm trying to make, apparently too subtly, is, how many nude scenes were coerced just like Hayek describes the one in Frida in order to satisfy the lusts of the male director/producer/writer just like this? It doesn't seem far-fetched, with all the revelations of sexual harassment coming out, that it's a lot of them. Maybe it's so many that we should simply not tolerate nudity in films. If there was some way to certify that the nude scene wasn't "forced" then it would be OK, but if we accept that this was an act of force on Weinstein's part (Salma could have chosen not to do the movie, yet we all seem to agree this was still evil on the part of Weinstein), then how could that certification ever be done?
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > We are talking about sexual harassment here. How could nudity not be the problem? It was in large part retaliation for Hayek not acceding to Weinstein's demands for sexual favors offscreen. If nudity were categorically prohibited or simply commercially unviable in film, and instead of a “do this scene or no movie” threat Weinstein had simply canned the film in retaliation, or demanded some distasteful (whether or not itself sexual) offscreen favor to avoid such cancellation in retaliation, it would have been just as much of an act of sexual harassment. The problem here has nothing to.do with nudity.