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While I like that they are walking these back, I have a feeling that people who lost a lot of supporters won't see a 100% recovery. I only lost a few, but it a

While I like that they are walking these back, I have a feeling that people who lost a lot of supporters won't see a 100% recovery. I only lost a few, but it already has me poking around at different options for the future.

Symmetry 9y ago
I ended up canceling all my $1 donations except for a random one which I gave all the money to, but I know that a lot of people just canceled them.
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  I was able to find a PayPal for all but one of mine, and sent three months worth of pledges to them.
kbenson 9y ago
> I have a feeling that people who lost a lot of supporters won't see a 100% recovery. That's probably not a bad thing overall. I'm sure people that stopped pledging money during this period will get an email, and have a chance to undo the action. That said, there's quite a few people getting a couple bucks a month from me that I don't really have any reason to support anymore, but haven't taken the time to clean out. That's not an efficient market. If I had stopped pledging to some of them because of this (I didn't as I didn't see a problem with this move), I wouldn't feel compelled to pledge again, and that's a good thing, as right now they are only getting money from me because of my laziness. I'm not talking about people that I still want to support on principle or because I think they do cool stuff even if I'm not consuming it. Those people by definition are worth my money, so I would likely sign back up.
davidgerard 9y ago
> I only lost a few, but it already has me poking around at different options for the future. Same here. Nobody is going to trust Patreon not to do something equally damaging again. It's nice they've reversed this, but I really can't think of anything that will bring back the trust they just trashed.
- ThrustVectoring 9y ago
  From the contributor end, I no longer trust Patreon. Their announcement email was way too much obfuscation and didn't include the bottom line up front: that my $X/mo pledges would cost me an additional service fee starting January 1, and that I would automatically be levied these fees.
  - mort96 9y ago
    That is entirely my issue with it too. They said that creators would start getting almost all of the pledged money instead of just a share of it; what they "forgot" to mention is that this is purely because they redefined what a pledge means. They silently redefined it from "the amount of money I pay per month" to "the amount of money I pay per month minus fees". Creators would get more money of course, but purely because all patreons would start paying more money. They didn't mention that either.

Symmetry 9y ago

I ended up canceling all my $1 donations except for a random one which I gave all the money to, but I know that a lot of people just canceled them.

ceejayoz 9y ago
I was able to find a PayPal for all but one of mine, and sent three months worth of pledges to them.

kbenson 9y ago

> I have a feeling that people who lost a lot of supporters won't see a 100% recovery. That's probably not a bad thing overall. I'm sure people that stopped pledging money during this period will get an email, and have a chance to undo the action. That said, there's quite a few people getting a couple bucks a month from me that I don't really have any reason to support anymore, but haven't taken the time to clean out. That's not an efficient market. If I had stopped pledging to some of them because of this (I didn't as I didn't see a problem with this move), I wouldn't feel compelled to pledge again, and that's a good thing, as right now they are only getting money from me because of my laziness. I'm not talking about people that I still want to support on principle or because I think they do cool stuff even if I'm not consuming it. Those people by definition are worth my money, so I would likely sign back up.

davidgerard 9y ago

> I only lost a few, but it already has me poking around at different options for the future. Same here. Nobody is going to trust Patreon not to do something equally damaging again. It's nice they've reversed this, but I really can't think of anything that will bring back the trust they just trashed.

ThrustVectoring 9y ago
From the contributor end, I no longer trust Patreon. Their announcement email was way too much obfuscation and didn't include the bottom line up front: that my $X/mo pledges would cost me an additional service fee starting January 1, and that I would automatically be levied these fees.
- mort96 9y ago
  That is entirely my issue with it too. They said that creators would start getting almost all of the pledged money instead of just a share of it; what they "forgot" to mention is that this is purely because they redefined what a pledge means. They silently redefined it from "the amount of money I pay per month" to "the amount of money I pay per month minus fees". Creators would get more money of course, but purely because all patreons would start paying more money. They didn't mention that either.