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Completely agree. The kids who wanted to do well always learned the material no matter how boring the material was taught and the kids who didn't want to learn

Completely agree. The kids who wanted to do well always learned the material no matter how boring the material was taught and the kids who didn't want to learn didn't learn a thing even with the most engaging teacher. Teachers can only do so much.

Retric 9y ago
Kids are not so binary. Plenty of schools have random assignment for students yet teacher A's students vastly outperform teacher B's students. Sure, the best student in B is generally better than the worst student in A but they are still generally behind the best in A.
- tabeth 9y ago
  Do you have any research to back this up? I'm curious.
  - Retric 9y ago
    Yes, I am not sure what part you want support for. But, if this interests you I suggest you do a little research on your own. (http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Staffingstudents/Teacher-quality-and-student-achievement-At-a-glance/Teacher-quality-and-student-achievement-Research-review.html http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Staffingst...)
    - tabeth 9y ago
      I have done research and haven't found that "plenty of schools have random assignment for students yet teacher A's students vastly outperform teacher B's students". I'm very well aware of studies showing that teachers make an impact. That much is obvious. What I'm not aware of is any significant group of schools that regularly use random assignment.
      - Retric 9y ago
        Here is one interesting example: http://www.nber.org/papers/w21407 http://www.nber.org/papers/w21407 However, this really comes down to researches not being idiots. If you mean at the school level, that's a policy choice which is far from universal. However, their are a lot of schools and a meaningful number do random student assignment.
  - drak0n1c 9y ago
    Stand and Deliver was based on a true story. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Escalante https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Escalante

Retric 9y ago

Kids are not so binary. Plenty of schools have random assignment for students yet teacher A's students vastly outperform teacher B's students. Sure, the best student in B is generally better than the worst student in A but they are still generally behind the best in A.

tabeth 9y ago
Do you have any research to back this up? I'm curious.
- Retric 9y ago
  Yes, I am not sure what part you want support for. But, if this interests you I suggest you do a little research on your own. (http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Staffingstudents/Teacher-quality-and-student-achievement-At-a-glance/Teacher-quality-and-student-achievement-Research-review.html http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Staffingst...)
  - tabeth 9y ago
    I have done research and haven't found that "plenty of schools have random assignment for students yet teacher A's students vastly outperform teacher B's students". I'm very well aware of studies showing that teachers make an impact. That much is obvious. What I'm not aware of is any significant group of schools that regularly use random assignment.
    - Retric 9y ago
      Here is one interesting example: http://www.nber.org/papers/w21407 http://www.nber.org/papers/w21407 However, this really comes down to researches not being idiots. If you mean at the school level, that's a policy choice which is far from universal. However, their are a lot of schools and a meaningful number do random student assignment.
- drak0n1c 9y ago
  Stand and Deliver was based on a true story. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Escalante https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Escalante