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If you believe that Russia is less worrying than US, then... err... I don't believe you exist actually.

pixl97 9y ago
Well, if you are a security researcher, Russia is less apt to redirect your flight mid ocean and arrest you in a country you weren't even going to. So I guess the US just might be more worrying to particular people based upon their occupation.
- codefined 9y ago
  This seems oddly specific, am I missing something?
  - macintux 9y ago
    I seem to recall such a scenario playing out when the U.S. was trying to catch Snowden. Or was it Assange? I regret to admit it's all a bit of a nightmarish blur at this point.
- walls 9y ago
  Right, Russia would just shoot it down.
  - dsfyu404ed 9y ago
    Or season the in-flight meal with polonium
- kbhn 9y ago
  Security researcher is a pretty loose and fear mongering title to describe Snowden's actual role - Taking sensitive government secrets to a hostile foreign power in the name of whistleblowing. But please, don't let my clarification get in the way of your whataboutism.
  - otakucode 9y ago
    'to a hostile foreign power'? You mean the public? The US government is why Snowden is in Russia, not Snowden. He didn't go to Russia. His flight was forced to land there when the US revoked his passport mid-flight.
    - kbhn 9y ago
      Yes, to a hostile foreign power. The public isn't a place you can reside. Russia is, however. > The US government is why Snowden is in Russia, not Snowden The US government is not why Snowden is in Russia, Snowden is why Snowden is in Russia. He went to Russia intentionally. He wasn't kidnapped, he chose Russia as a destination specifically due to their reluctance to cooperate with the US. > He didn't go to Russia. His flight was forced to land there... That's not what happened, please reread his flight history because the facts are well known at this point. He told his superiors at the NSA that he was headed to the mainland USA for medical treatment, but instead flew direct to Hong Kong where he lived for over a month. 30+ days after arriving in HK he fled to Russia, with the intent of fleeing to Cuba the next day. > ...when the US revoked his passport mid-flight. His flight wasn't forced to land mid-flight because Snowden never even boarded the plane that day. His passport was revoked before the Cuba trip, leaving him stranded in the Russian airport. If you're going to shill for someone who is unwilling to come back to the US to be held accountable (rightly or wrongly) for his actions, please be factually correct about it.
      - boomboomsubban 9y ago
        >The US government is not why Snowden is in Russia, Snowden is why Snowden is in Russia. He went to Russia intentionally. He wasn't kidnapped, he chose Russia as a destination specifically due to their reluctance to cooperate with the US. He chose Russia as a layover location, Hong Kong has a limited number of outgoing flights and that likely was the one the US would be least able to grab him. However, the US is why he is in Russia now. You mention that he had a flight to Cuba booked, and his ultimate goal was Ecuador. There is no proof that he took "state secrets" to Russia. By his account he had destroyed any of his remaining copies before leaving Hong Kong. This is a far more egregious error than confusing a layover stop for being forced to land.
- GcVmvNhBsU 9y ago
  s/security researcher/Sharepoint admin/
LaGrange 9y ago
For all their posturing, Russia just lacks the means to be as dangerous as the US is.
- nasredin 9y ago
  >For all their posturing, Russia just lacks the means to be as dangerous as the US is. Probably the best one line summary of Russia one can make.

Well, if you are a security researcher, Russia is less apt to redirect your flight mid ocean and arrest you in a country you weren't even going to. So I guess the US just might be more worrying to particular people based upon their occupation.

codefined 9y ago
This seems oddly specific, am I missing something?
- macintux 9y ago
  I seem to recall such a scenario playing out when the U.S. was trying to catch Snowden. Or was it Assange? I regret to admit it's all a bit of a nightmarish blur at this point.
walls 9y ago
Right, Russia would just shoot it down.
- dsfyu404ed 9y ago
  Or season the in-flight meal with polonium
kbhn 9y ago
Security researcher is a pretty loose and fear mongering title to describe Snowden's actual role - Taking sensitive government secrets to a hostile foreign power in the name of whistleblowing. But please, don't let my clarification get in the way of your whataboutism.
- otakucode 9y ago
  'to a hostile foreign power'? You mean the public? The US government is why Snowden is in Russia, not Snowden. He didn't go to Russia. His flight was forced to land there when the US revoked his passport mid-flight.
  - kbhn 9y ago
    Yes, to a hostile foreign power. The public isn't a place you can reside. Russia is, however. > The US government is why Snowden is in Russia, not Snowden The US government is not why Snowden is in Russia, Snowden is why Snowden is in Russia. He went to Russia intentionally. He wasn't kidnapped, he chose Russia as a destination specifically due to their reluctance to cooperate with the US. > He didn't go to Russia. His flight was forced to land there... That's not what happened, please reread his flight history because the facts are well known at this point. He told his superiors at the NSA that he was headed to the mainland USA for medical treatment, but instead flew direct to Hong Kong where he lived for over a month. 30+ days after arriving in HK he fled to Russia, with the intent of fleeing to Cuba the next day. > ...when the US revoked his passport mid-flight. His flight wasn't forced to land mid-flight because Snowden never even boarded the plane that day. His passport was revoked before the Cuba trip, leaving him stranded in the Russian airport. If you're going to shill for someone who is unwilling to come back to the US to be held accountable (rightly or wrongly) for his actions, please be factually correct about it.
    - boomboomsubban 9y ago
      >The US government is not why Snowden is in Russia, Snowden is why Snowden is in Russia. He went to Russia intentionally. He wasn't kidnapped, he chose Russia as a destination specifically due to their reluctance to cooperate with the US. He chose Russia as a layover location, Hong Kong has a limited number of outgoing flights and that likely was the one the US would be least able to grab him. However, the US is why he is in Russia now. You mention that he had a flight to Cuba booked, and his ultimate goal was Ecuador. There is no proof that he took "state secrets" to Russia. By his account he had destroyed any of his remaining copies before leaving Hong Kong. This is a far more egregious error than confusing a layover stop for being forced to land.
GcVmvNhBsU 9y ago
s/security researcher/Sharepoint admin/

LaGrange 9y ago

For all their posturing, Russia just lacks the means to be as dangerous as the US is.

nasredin 9y ago
>For all their posturing, Russia just lacks the means to be as dangerous as the US is. Probably the best one line summary of Russia one can make.