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>You will be able to do a lot more with your router and they have quick security fixes Just a counter point to this. Lede on its own doesn't have a very smooth

>You will be able to do a lot more with your router and they have quick security fixes Just a counter point to this. Lede on its own doesn't have a very smooth in place upgrade system. If you are in the loop, sure you can do upgrades, but most people would never log in to their routers after setting it up. I think something like google wifi is not a bad solution either, with the obvious privacy tradeoff. It runs chromium os, and will update reliably on its own.

xyzzy_plugh 9y ago
Chromium updates require a reboot to take effect, right? How does Google WiFi reliably update without service interruptions?
- King-Aaron 9y ago
  I don't use the device so this is purely speculation, though I would assume they'd have configurable setting to push/apply updates at off-peak / night times?
- bubblethink 9y ago
  Kernel updates do need a reboot. That's there for any linux based device. There are some improvements in kernel live patching. Not saying that google wifi, or any router uses them.
ktta 9y ago
I realize people's opinions differ on this, but having Google's wifi router is one of the most privacy compromising things one can do. Security wise, sure, great idea. But there's so much data to collect at the router level. From wireless MAC addresses (which it already does), and to every single IP address visited by every device in the household. I might sound paranoid, but with continuous news of Google's privacy intrusive choices on Android, iOS etc. I will not trust them with that data, ever.
- ksec 9y ago
  Apple Airport is probably the best router I have ever owned. Not the fastest, but extremely Stable, based on NetBSD and from a company that makes money on my hardware rather then my Data. I really hope they will have an 802.11ax version once they iron out all the crap that is going on in there.
  - aneidon 9y ago
    hate to break it to you: https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/21/apple-reportedly-stops-developing-airport-wifi-router-products-moving-employees-to-other-projects/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/21/apple-reportedly-stops-develo...
    - ksec 9y ago
      1. Mark Gurman, ever since he started working in Bloomberg his source or material has been either late or inaccurate. 2. The correct report was Router team folded into Apple TV team. Sounds like Apple TV adding router function to me. 3. Apple is still selling Airport, and stocks level are still very healthy. i.e No signs or discontinue.
  - mort96 9y ago
    My biggest issue with Apple routers is that you _need_ an Apple device to do anything with them. I have an AirPort Extreme, and while I'm not opposed to having Apple devices, I also don't exclusively buy from them, but rather what I deem to be the best product for my purposes at the time of purchase. That currently means an iPhone, an iPad, and a Dell laptop running Linux, but has in the past included both Apple laptops and Android phones and tablets. Because of my choice of router, I need to make sure that I always have at least one Apple device, preferably as a main device for convenience (because running a server means I need to mess with ports now and then). A simple web interface would've solved this. They could still have their own app to make it just as user friendly for people who don't have an Apple device immediately at hand. I will likely never buy a Mac again becauss I absolutely need Linux, and they're making their Macs worse and worse for Linux. I plan to eventually replace my need for a tablet with one of those Dell XPS convertible machines with a touch screen. That means there will come a time when I need to choose between letting the router be a factor in what phone I buy, or get a new, non-Apple router, and that kinda sucks.

xyzzy_plugh 9y ago

Chromium updates require a reboot to take effect, right? How does Google WiFi reliably update without service interruptions?

King-Aaron 9y ago
I don't use the device so this is purely speculation, though I would assume they'd have configurable setting to push/apply updates at off-peak / night times?
bubblethink 9y ago
Kernel updates do need a reboot. That's there for any linux based device. There are some improvements in kernel live patching. Not saying that google wifi, or any router uses them.

ktta 9y ago

I realize people's opinions differ on this, but having Google's wifi router is one of the most privacy compromising things one can do. Security wise, sure, great idea. But there's so much data to collect at the router level. From wireless MAC addresses (which it already does), and to every single IP address visited by every device in the household. I might sound paranoid, but with continuous news of Google's privacy intrusive choices on Android, iOS etc. I will not trust them with that data, ever.

ksec 9y ago
Apple Airport is probably the best router I have ever owned. Not the fastest, but extremely Stable, based on NetBSD and from a company that makes money on my hardware rather then my Data. I really hope they will have an 802.11ax version once they iron out all the crap that is going on in there.
- aneidon 9y ago
  hate to break it to you: https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/21/apple-reportedly-stops-developing-airport-wifi-router-products-moving-employees-to-other-projects/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/21/apple-reportedly-stops-develo...
  - ksec 9y ago
    1. Mark Gurman, ever since he started working in Bloomberg his source or material has been either late or inaccurate. 2. The correct report was Router team folded into Apple TV team. Sounds like Apple TV adding router function to me. 3. Apple is still selling Airport, and stocks level are still very healthy. i.e No signs or discontinue.
- mort96 9y ago
  My biggest issue with Apple routers is that you _need_ an Apple device to do anything with them. I have an AirPort Extreme, and while I'm not opposed to having Apple devices, I also don't exclusively buy from them, but rather what I deem to be the best product for my purposes at the time of purchase. That currently means an iPhone, an iPad, and a Dell laptop running Linux, but has in the past included both Apple laptops and Android phones and tablets. Because of my choice of router, I need to make sure that I always have at least one Apple device, preferably as a main device for convenience (because running a server means I need to mess with ports now and then). A simple web interface would've solved this. They could still have their own app to make it just as user friendly for people who don't have an Apple device immediately at hand. I will likely never buy a Mac again becauss I absolutely need Linux, and they're making their Macs worse and worse for Linux. I plan to eventually replace my need for a tablet with one of those Dell XPS convertible machines with a touch screen. That means there will come a time when I need to choose between letting the router be a factor in what phone I buy, or get a new, non-Apple router, and that kinda sucks.