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Don't rentals require a credit score, a stable source of income, and usually a guarantor?

DoreenMichele 9y ago
Yes. But I am trying to make the distinction that most poverty relief programs are much more invasive and bureaucratic than most market based solutions. I am thinking of low cost rentals where they require you to live there and won't rent it to well off people looking for a weekend getaway that is cheaper than a motel. But other than that, I don't want a lot of extra requirements tacked on.
- crankylinuxuser 9y ago
  I think you're very misguided about "market based solutions". The homeless don't have money, therefore they have limited/no exposure in the "market". I don't know if you've been present before about why companies don't form around low income or homeless segment - there's no market in them. No money = no RoI. You cater to people who have money. You're describing something that price discriminates and doesnt at the same time. > I am thinking of low cost rentals where they require you to live there Forced to be there X amount of time. This is a reduction of freedom, which sounds like reinstating the bureaucratic nightmare you talk of. > and won't rent it to well off people looking for a weekend getaway that is cheaper than a motel. Means-testing. The homeless aren't going to have the paperwork to show lack of means. Remember, these people probably have no ID or anything. The census allows them to highlight landmarks where they "frequent", along with voting homeless allowed similar. > But other than that, I don't want a lot of extra requirements tacked on. And what you stated is already too much. What needs done: if you're homeless, you get a small room. It's yours. It won't be much. We can at least afford that as a population.
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
    The homeless are not some other population. They are people who currently lack housing. With enough affordable housing, some people would never land on the street to start with. They would move to an SRO temporarily, get their act together and return eventually to more conventional housing. I am not talking about a homeless service. I am talking about policies that shrink the problem in part by preventing homelessness to begin with. I will add not all homeless are completely penniless, and I have formally studied the subject.
    - crankylinuxuser 9y ago
      > The homeless are not some other population. They are people who currently lack housing. True, however not having housing then brings on a host of other problems. Basic sanitation and food are just 2 of those big issues - and the food issue is why the fire happened in this place. > With enough affordable housing, some people would never land on the street to start with. They would move to an SRO temporarily, get their act together and return eventually to more conventional housing. Or, they would do like what we see happen in China and Japan - where the prices keep going up and up and up, and those people never leave the SROs. That's also a market eventuality, and a noted fact in those areas. This idea that SRO's are some "gift" to homeless and that they'll clean right up is a farce. > I am not talking about a homeless service. I am talking about policies that shrink the problem in part by preventing homelessness to begin with. I have a completely curveball outfield suggestion: We the government/people build SROs. If you're homeless, you can have 1. End of discussion. Because shoving this on "The Market" is how in part why they became homeless. So yeah, splatter more "market". It's about as true as trickle-down theory (aka: getting pissed on by above). > I will add not all homeless are completely penniless, and I have formally studied the subject. Yeah, so did I. I was homeless. You researched it for a single sociology class. When I was homeless, we met lots of students from the local university. The homeless epidemic has gotten nowhere but worse. But hey, there's some papers published reaffirming time and again the same things.
ams6110 9y ago
Not all of them. In smaller towns you can rent an apartment or even business space on a handshake.
jpindar 9y ago
Normal apartments usually do. But there are also businesses that rent rooms or studios by the week, without a lease. Much like a hotel (and some of them also function as hotels), they can simply refuse to rent to a problem tenant next week so they don't need any of that.

Yes. But I am trying to make the distinction that most poverty relief programs are much more invasive and bureaucratic than most market based solutions. I am thinking of low cost rentals where they require you to live there and won't rent it to well off people looking for a weekend getaway that is cheaper than a motel. But other than that, I don't want a lot of extra requirements tacked on.

crankylinuxuser 9y ago
I think you're very misguided about "market based solutions". The homeless don't have money, therefore they have limited/no exposure in the "market". I don't know if you've been present before about why companies don't form around low income or homeless segment - there's no market in them. No money = no RoI. You cater to people who have money. You're describing something that price discriminates and doesnt at the same time. > I am thinking of low cost rentals where they require you to live there Forced to be there X amount of time. This is a reduction of freedom, which sounds like reinstating the bureaucratic nightmare you talk of. > and won't rent it to well off people looking for a weekend getaway that is cheaper than a motel. Means-testing. The homeless aren't going to have the paperwork to show lack of means. Remember, these people probably have no ID or anything. The census allows them to highlight landmarks where they "frequent", along with voting homeless allowed similar. > But other than that, I don't want a lot of extra requirements tacked on. And what you stated is already too much. What needs done: if you're homeless, you get a small room. It's yours. It won't be much. We can at least afford that as a population.
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  The homeless are not some other population. They are people who currently lack housing. With enough affordable housing, some people would never land on the street to start with. They would move to an SRO temporarily, get their act together and return eventually to more conventional housing. I am not talking about a homeless service. I am talking about policies that shrink the problem in part by preventing homelessness to begin with. I will add not all homeless are completely penniless, and I have formally studied the subject.
  - crankylinuxuser 9y ago
    > The homeless are not some other population. They are people who currently lack housing. True, however not having housing then brings on a host of other problems. Basic sanitation and food are just 2 of those big issues - and the food issue is why the fire happened in this place. > With enough affordable housing, some people would never land on the street to start with. They would move to an SRO temporarily, get their act together and return eventually to more conventional housing. Or, they would do like what we see happen in China and Japan - where the prices keep going up and up and up, and those people never leave the SROs. That's also a market eventuality, and a noted fact in those areas. This idea that SRO's are some "gift" to homeless and that they'll clean right up is a farce. > I am not talking about a homeless service. I am talking about policies that shrink the problem in part by preventing homelessness to begin with. I have a completely curveball outfield suggestion: We the government/people build SROs. If you're homeless, you can have 1. End of discussion. Because shoving this on "The Market" is how in part why they became homeless. So yeah, splatter more "market". It's about as true as trickle-down theory (aka: getting pissed on by above). > I will add not all homeless are completely penniless, and I have formally studied the subject. Yeah, so did I. I was homeless. You researched it for a single sociology class. When I was homeless, we met lots of students from the local university. The homeless epidemic has gotten nowhere but worse. But hey, there's some papers published reaffirming time and again the same things.

ams6110 9y ago

Not all of them. In smaller towns you can rent an apartment or even business space on a handshake.

jpindar 9y ago

Normal apartments usually do. But there are also businesses that rent rooms or studios by the week, without a lease. Much like a hotel (and some of them also function as hotels), they can simply refuse to rent to a problem tenant next week so they don't need any of that.