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Giving them houses might help.

by dilap 9y ago

Clubber 9y ago
So, give them yours. Maybe rent a room for free or something.
- ericd 9y ago
  Or, we could raise taxes and try to make a real solution like a civilized society, instead of relying on random acts of charity. Charging property taxes on the actual value of people's property in California and using that to fund local government works would be a good start.
  - codycraven 9y ago
    So people who bought their houses at a time they could afford them and are retired on a fixed income can have their property confiscated by the government when they can't pay the outrageous property taxes on their home's "value"...?
    - ericd 9y ago
      That is the propaganda that was used to pass Prop 13. But there are much less heavy-handed ways of achieving that, if that's your real goal. An age-based homestead exemption, for example. Meanwhile, we could start taxing the golf courses and corporate HQs that are still paying mid-70s rates.
    - s0rce 9y ago
      I think this is a false premise, they don't need to stay in houses, if we actually built stuff they could move into smaller condos when retired. Easier access to ammenties, less stairs, less maintenance. All my grandparents in Canada did this. 2nd option, if you firmly believe that everyone must stay in their home until death then you simple offer tax exemptions to elderly with low income for their primary residence. I would be surprised if low income retires represented the majority of the "winners" of prop 13. Big corporations and upper/middle class landowners.
- dilap 9y ago
  We have this, it's called taxes. I'd like to see the US government spend a lot more of that money on taking care of the neediest of its citizens and a lot less doing things like trying to overthrow the government of the latest country that inexplicably ended up on our shitlist.
  - mofino 9y ago
    Why do people who work and toil in life need to pay for those who REFUSE to try? I understand that some can fuck up their lives, I've done so myself, but everyone has to carry their own weight. Only a small subset of the people need to be carried (the elderly, disabled, children, broken men and women, etc).

Giving them houses might help.

by dilap 9y ago

Giving them houses might help.

Clubber 9y ago

So, give them yours. Maybe rent a room for free or something.

ericd 9y ago
Or, we could raise taxes and try to make a real solution like a civilized society, instead of relying on random acts of charity. Charging property taxes on the actual value of people's property in California and using that to fund local government works would be a good start.
- codycraven 9y ago
  So people who bought their houses at a time they could afford them and are retired on a fixed income can have their property confiscated by the government when they can't pay the outrageous property taxes on their home's "value"...?
  - ericd 9y ago
    That is the propaganda that was used to pass Prop 13. But there are much less heavy-handed ways of achieving that, if that's your real goal. An age-based homestead exemption, for example. Meanwhile, we could start taxing the golf courses and corporate HQs that are still paying mid-70s rates.
  - s0rce 9y ago
    I think this is a false premise, they don't need to stay in houses, if we actually built stuff they could move into smaller condos when retired. Easier access to ammenties, less stairs, less maintenance. All my grandparents in Canada did this. 2nd option, if you firmly believe that everyone must stay in their home until death then you simple offer tax exemptions to elderly with low income for their primary residence. I would be surprised if low income retires represented the majority of the "winners" of prop 13. Big corporations and upper/middle class landowners.
dilap 9y ago
We have this, it's called taxes. I'd like to see the US government spend a lot more of that money on taking care of the neediest of its citizens and a lot less doing things like trying to overthrow the government of the latest country that inexplicably ended up on our shitlist.
- mofino 9y ago
  Why do people who work and toil in life need to pay for those who REFUSE to try? I understand that some can fuck up their lives, I've done so myself, but everyone has to carry their own weight. Only a small subset of the people need to be carried (the elderly, disabled, children, broken men and women, etc).