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"There isn't enough good science." ... and yet you quote some rather good science wrt glaciation periods etc (I doubt you did it yourself) The thing is that w
by gerdesj 9y ago
"There isn't enough good science."
... and yet you quote some rather good science wrt glaciation periods etc (I doubt you did it yourself)
The thing is that we live at the moment as we are with the world as it is. For example if the sea level rose say 1m (4 feet), what would that do to say FL which is rather low lying? The weather will continue to get wilder and wilder. I happen to live on the side of a hill in Yeovil, Somerset, UK (I'm alright, probably). Somerset has a low lying region called the Levels and recently they flooded badly - that will happen more often.
We have a lot of data and a lot of papers and a lot of models that predict a nasty end. Your "hockey stick" example is bollocks - the paper was sound but the interpretation by some was not.
The ridiculous thing is that although no one with a scientific bent has mentioned it, have you noticed just how odd the weather has been over the last decade? Records for hot and cold and wet etc are being broken "since records began" quite often.
"And lastly, if I accept climate change as a result of human activity I say we still don't have decent models."
Have you done any research on this whatsoever?
- apple4ever 9y ago> Have you done any research on this whatsoever? Have you? The models are all terrible. They can't even output matching observed data!
- xupybd 9y ago>Have you done any research on this whatsoever? I think it's fair to say climate models are modelling a very complex, near chaotic, system. One of the difficulties with this subject is understanding and verifying these models is simply impossible for the lay person. I don't think it's fair to accuse someone of a lack of research. It's possible to study this very in depth and still lack the ability to assess if the models are correct.
- gerdesj 9y agoYou get a UV for diving in and being reasonable. I'll put money on you being one of my compatriots and probably know rather more than me on this subject.
- StanislavPetrov 9y ago>I think it's fair to say climate models are modelling a very complex, near chaotic, system. That's exactly the point. I don't think we should be pumping carbon (or any other adulterants) in to our environment. But remaining skeptical of the claims of climatologists who can't reliably predict the weather 5 days into the future while claiming the ability to definitively predict the weather 5 years (and longer) into the future does not make you a "climate change denier". I have very little doubt that the destruction we are wreaking on the environment (of which carbon pollution is a tiny part) will end poorly for us. Its fine to speculate on how exactly this blowback will manifest itself but hubris to claim to know with certainty.
- greglindahl 9y agoClimate and weather are different things, so it should be no surprise that a climatologist can't reliably predict the weather even an hour from now.
- phkahler 9y ago>> ... and yet you quote some rather good science wrt glaciation periods etc (I doubt you did it yourself) >> Have you done any research on this whatsoever? You seem to prefer attacking people rather than concepts.