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Please lord, let JS die a horrible, horrible death.

wybiral 9y ago
Modern JS isn't that bad. Some of the tooling and frameworks are though.
ehnto 9y ago
I'm not sure it's Javascript's fault. The ecosystem that is using it would have found a language to live somewhere. The idiom of ephemeral, throw away, spaghetti of dependencies was born out of the way the web platform moved forward, the short lived nature of websites and web apps, and the spread of developers with different backgrounds that were working on it all. If we were using Javascript to develop native windows apps then I am sure the ecosystem would be very different. However, that would be dumb, right? cough
- dhruvrrp 9y ago
  Electron would like to have a word with you
stuffedBelly 9y ago
Read Javascript the Good Parts by Crockford and you will feel slightly better about the language.
- acheron 9y ago
  “JavaScript: The Good Parts” always makes me think of the joke from Airplane about “light reading”.
- chasd00 9y ago
  It is a good book and there's definitely lots of bad to go with the good. I describe JavaScript as a pyscho gf or bf depending on the audience. Everything's fine until it goes wrong then it goes real wrong real fast.
phantomathkg 9y ago
The same can be said to all programming languages...
- choward 9y ago
  Yep. There isn't a single programming language that doesn't have things that I hate.
outworlder 9y ago
That ship has sailed. As much as I would like to have something different for the browser (such as Scheme, as originally envisioned, or Lua, which would have been a better fit), the world has moved on. Only hope is to compile to javascript or webassembly (or "transpile", as js folks like to call it).
- solidr53 9y ago
  We once had a hope, it was called dart and could transpile to JS as well for backwards compatibility. Now wasm has our hopes up again but without direct dom access.
quantumofmalice 9y ago
It doesn't have to. I've said this in a few other threads lately: I'm using intercooler.js which is basically HTML++ for a lot of my work now, and I barely ever write javascript unless I need a front-end plugin of some sort. You get 90% of the functionality at 10% of the complexity, and your back end looks essentially the same as it always has, in whatever language you want.
- stefanfisk 9y ago
  damn that looks sweet, thanks for the tip!
amiga-workbench 9y ago
The language is only slightly crap, its the things people use Javascript for that are blood curdling.
JustSomeNobody 9y ago
JavaScript isn't the problem. The cargo-culting by mediocre developers is the problem.

Modern JS isn't that bad. Some of the tooling and frameworks are though.

I'm not sure it's Javascript's fault. The ecosystem that is using it would have found a language to live somewhere. The idiom of ephemeral, throw away, spaghetti of dependencies was born out of the way the web platform moved forward, the short lived nature of websites and web apps, and the spread of developers with different backgrounds that were working on it all. If we were using Javascript to develop native windows apps then I am sure the ecosystem would be very different. However, that would be dumb, right? cough

dhruvrrp 9y ago
Electron would like to have a word with you

stuffedBelly 9y ago

Read Javascript the Good Parts by Crockford and you will feel slightly better about the language.

acheron 9y ago
“JavaScript: The Good Parts” always makes me think of the joke from Airplane about “light reading”.
chasd00 9y ago
It is a good book and there's definitely lots of bad to go with the good. I describe JavaScript as a pyscho gf or bf depending on the audience. Everything's fine until it goes wrong then it goes real wrong real fast.

phantomathkg 9y ago

The same can be said to all programming languages...

choward 9y ago
Yep. There isn't a single programming language that doesn't have things that I hate.

outworlder 9y ago

That ship has sailed. As much as I would like to have something different for the browser (such as Scheme, as originally envisioned, or Lua, which would have been a better fit), the world has moved on. Only hope is to compile to javascript or webassembly (or "transpile", as js folks like to call it).

solidr53 9y ago
We once had a hope, it was called dart and could transpile to JS as well for backwards compatibility. Now wasm has our hopes up again but without direct dom access.

quantumofmalice 9y ago

It doesn't have to. I've said this in a few other threads lately: I'm using intercooler.js which is basically HTML++ for a lot of my work now, and I barely ever write javascript unless I need a front-end plugin of some sort. You get 90% of the functionality at 10% of the complexity, and your back end looks essentially the same as it always has, in whatever language you want.

stefanfisk 9y ago
damn that looks sweet, thanks for the tip!

amiga-workbench 9y ago

The language is only slightly crap, its the things people use Javascript for that are blood curdling.

JustSomeNobody 9y ago

JavaScript isn't the problem. The cargo-culting by mediocre developers is the problem.