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T-Mobile promotes a service called "Binge On" which is anti-net-neutrality: https://www.t-mobile.com/offer/binge-on-streaming-video.html https://www.t-mobile.co

T-Mobile promotes a service called "Binge On" which is anti-net-neutrality: https://www.t-mobile.com/offer/binge-on-streaming-video.html https://www.t-mobile.com/offer/binge-on-streaming-video.html Paying for a "fast lane" is anti-net-neutrality regardless of whether or not it is "pro-consumer"

creaghpatr 9y ago
Consumers tend to cast votes in favor of pro-consumer policies
noncoml 9y ago
> Paying for a "fast lane" is anti-net-neutrality Who is paying for "fast lane" in this case? Please do correct me if I am wrong, but the way I understand it, video providers don't have to pay T-Mobile to be part of binge-on.
- jerkstate 9y ago
  You can read more in the original Net Neutrality declaration: https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/201... on pp. 53-66, from "No Paid Prioritization" to "Sponsored Data and Usage Allowances" Binge on also "optimizes" your stream for mobile performance, i.e. throttles it to the data rate of SD, which is also against the rules in net neutrality.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - noncoml 9y ago
    These are technicalities that are not important at this specific moment or applicable to the argument. The important part is that T-Mobile is not one of the companies that want to destroy net neutrality. Your fight may be just, but it’s for a later time, when net neutrality is saved.
    - mr_spothawk 9y ago
      > These are technicalities that are not important at this specific moment or applicable to the argument. These technicalities are important, because they represent the bulk of the question: "what is NN?" Also, the FCC rules from 2015 don't even apply to mobile carriers...
      - jerkstate 9y ago
        That is not correct. The 2015 order does in fact apply to wireless carriers: https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/201... pp. 9-10: Consistent with the 2010 Order, today’s Order applies its rules to the consumer-facing service that broadband networks provide, which is known as “broadband Internet access service” (BIAS) and is defined to be: A mass-market retail service by wire or radio that provides the capability to transmit data to and receive data from all or substantially all Internet endpoints, including any capabilities that are incidental to and enable the operation of the communications service, but excluding dial-up Internet access service. This term also encompasses any service that the Commission finds to be providing a functional equivalent of the service described in the previous sentence, or that is used to evade the protections set forth in this Part.
    - thephyber 9y ago
      > The important part is that T-Mobile is not one of the companies that want to destroy net neutrality. T-Mobile gets free press and gets to publicly swipe at AT&T and Verizon (the big gorillas in the mobile data space), but what they are doing is called "zero-rating" which isn't very different from violating the principles of Net Neutrality. The difference between data that is accessible versus partner data (NN) is that is gratis to access (zero-rating) isn't that much if you can barely afford your cell phone bill (which is about 50% of the US population if surveys about financial savings are to be believed).
    - jerkstate 9y ago
      I proved to you that T-Mobile is violating net neutrality and you respond with "T-Mobile is not one of the companies that want to destroy net neutrality" You don't seem to understand what net neutrality means, but you're not alone, it seems like few do.
syrrim 9y ago
Ive never understood how such a system is profitable. Surely it costs them money to provide streamig service. How is it that they are able to sell it for free? Perhaps it is provided as a loss leader?
- jerkstate 9y ago
  Business practices can be both anti-competitive and pro-consumer at the same time.
- acomjean 9y ago
  I think it helps them control costs. My understanding is T-mobile is basically providing a lower speed than normal pipe for video so it streams at a lower quality. On mobile it probably quality doesn't matter as much, so overall it reduces the overall network bandwidth.

creaghpatr 9y ago

Consumers tend to cast votes in favor of pro-consumer policies

noncoml 9y ago

> Paying for a "fast lane" is anti-net-neutrality Who is paying for "fast lane" in this case? Please do correct me if I am wrong, but the way I understand it, video providers don't have to pay T-Mobile to be part of binge-on.

jerkstate 9y ago
You can read more in the original Net Neutrality declaration: https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/201... on pp. 53-66, from "No Paid Prioritization" to "Sponsored Data and Usage Allowances" Binge on also "optimizes" your stream for mobile performance, i.e. throttles it to the data rate of SD, which is also against the rules in net neutrality.
- deleted 9y ago
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- noncoml 9y ago
  These are technicalities that are not important at this specific moment or applicable to the argument. The important part is that T-Mobile is not one of the companies that want to destroy net neutrality. Your fight may be just, but it’s for a later time, when net neutrality is saved.
  - mr_spothawk 9y ago
    > These are technicalities that are not important at this specific moment or applicable to the argument. These technicalities are important, because they represent the bulk of the question: "what is NN?" Also, the FCC rules from 2015 don't even apply to mobile carriers...
    - jerkstate 9y ago
      That is not correct. The 2015 order does in fact apply to wireless carriers: https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/201... pp. 9-10: Consistent with the 2010 Order, today’s Order applies its rules to the consumer-facing service that broadband networks provide, which is known as “broadband Internet access service” (BIAS) and is defined to be: A mass-market retail service by wire or radio that provides the capability to transmit data to and receive data from all or substantially all Internet endpoints, including any capabilities that are incidental to and enable the operation of the communications service, but excluding dial-up Internet access service. This term also encompasses any service that the Commission finds to be providing a functional equivalent of the service described in the previous sentence, or that is used to evade the protections set forth in this Part.
  - thephyber 9y ago
    > The important part is that T-Mobile is not one of the companies that want to destroy net neutrality. T-Mobile gets free press and gets to publicly swipe at AT&T and Verizon (the big gorillas in the mobile data space), but what they are doing is called "zero-rating" which isn't very different from violating the principles of Net Neutrality. The difference between data that is accessible versus partner data (NN) is that is gratis to access (zero-rating) isn't that much if you can barely afford your cell phone bill (which is about 50% of the US population if surveys about financial savings are to be believed).
  - jerkstate 9y ago
    I proved to you that T-Mobile is violating net neutrality and you respond with "T-Mobile is not one of the companies that want to destroy net neutrality" You don't seem to understand what net neutrality means, but you're not alone, it seems like few do.

syrrim 9y ago

Ive never understood how such a system is profitable. Surely it costs them money to provide streamig service. How is it that they are able to sell it for free? Perhaps it is provided as a loss leader?

jerkstate 9y ago
Business practices can be both anti-competitive and pro-consumer at the same time.
acomjean 9y ago
I think it helps them control costs. My understanding is T-mobile is basically providing a lower speed than normal pipe for video so it streams at a lower quality. On mobile it probably quality doesn't matter as much, so overall it reduces the overall network bandwidth.