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I would say don't blame the administration. Blame the corps and don't wait to vote every 4 years in the elections, vote every day with your wallet. To start, b

I would say don't blame the administration. Blame the corps and don't wait to vote every 4 years in the elections, vote every day with your wallet. To start, be reactive, switch to T-Mobile or any telco that is pro-net neutrality Then start being pro-active. Look for bad patterns in companies and punish them. For example, Google says they support net-neutrality but are happy to block amazon devices from playing youtube. Maybe it is time to give a clear message to Google that behaviors like this are not accepted by you? Replace Google with any X company. Don't be surprised if in 20 years X-company will only allow you to access X-stuff on X-devices running on X-network. Money is what makes the world go around. Use your money to steer the world to the direction you want. Or, you know, just keep using Google and Verizon because it is more convenient. But in this case you lose your right to complain.

llamataboot 9y ago
The problem with that argument, is it's damn near impossible to simply buy your way out of a rigged system. It's a nice premise, shopping ethically, but much like recycling isn't going to stop climate change, there's only so much power an individual consumer has in a large and complex system with perverse incentives.
jerkstate 9y ago
T-Mobile promotes a service called "Binge On" which is anti-net-neutrality: https://www.t-mobile.com/offer/binge-on-streaming-video.html https://www.t-mobile.com/offer/binge-on-streaming-video.html Paying for a "fast lane" is anti-net-neutrality regardless of whether or not it is "pro-consumer"
- creaghpatr 9y ago
  Consumers tend to cast votes in favor of pro-consumer policies
- noncoml 9y ago
  > Paying for a "fast lane" is anti-net-neutrality Who is paying for "fast lane" in this case? Please do correct me if I am wrong, but the way I understand it, video providers don't have to pay T-Mobile to be part of binge-on.
  - jerkstate 9y ago
    You can read more in the original Net Neutrality declaration: https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/201... on pp. 53-66, from "No Paid Prioritization" to "Sponsored Data and Usage Allowances" Binge on also "optimizes" your stream for mobile performance, i.e. throttles it to the data rate of SD, which is also against the rules in net neutrality.
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    - noncoml 9y ago
      These are technicalities that are not important at this specific moment or applicable to the argument. The important part is that T-Mobile is not one of the companies that want to destroy net neutrality. Your fight may be just, but it’s for a later time, when net neutrality is saved.
      - mr_spothawk 9y ago
        > These are technicalities that are not important at this specific moment or applicable to the argument. These technicalities are important, because they represent the bulk of the question: "what is NN?" Also, the FCC rules from 2015 don't even apply to mobile carriers...
        jerkstate 9y ago
        That is not correct. The 2015 order does in fact apply to wireless carriers: https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/201... pp. 9-10: Consistent with the 2010 Order, today’s Order applies its rules to the consumer-facing service that broadband networks provide, which is known as “broadband Internet access service” (BIAS) and is defined to be: A mass-market retail service by wire or radio that provides the capability to transmit data to and receive data from all or substantially all Internet endpoints, including any capabilities that are incidental to and enable the operation of the communications service, but excluding dial-up Internet access service. This term also encompasses any service that the Commission finds to be providing a functional equivalent of the service described in the previous sentence, or that is used to evade the protections set forth in this Part.
- syrrim 9y ago
  Ive never understood how such a system is profitable. Surely it costs them money to provide streamig service. How is it that they are able to sell it for free? Perhaps it is provided as a loss leader?
  - jerkstate 9y ago
    Business practices can be both anti-competitive and pro-consumer at the same time.
  - acomjean 9y ago
    I think it helps them control costs. My understanding is T-mobile is basically providing a lower speed than normal pipe for video so it streams at a lower quality. On mobile it probably quality doesn't matter as much, so overall it reduces the overall network bandwidth.

llamataboot 9y ago

The problem with that argument, is it's damn near impossible to simply buy your way out of a rigged system. It's a nice premise, shopping ethically, but much like recycling isn't going to stop climate change, there's only so much power an individual consumer has in a large and complex system with perverse incentives.

jerkstate 9y ago

T-Mobile promotes a service called "Binge On" which is anti-net-neutrality: https://www.t-mobile.com/offer/binge-on-streaming-video.html https://www.t-mobile.com/offer/binge-on-streaming-video.html Paying for a "fast lane" is anti-net-neutrality regardless of whether or not it is "pro-consumer"

creaghpatr 9y ago
Consumers tend to cast votes in favor of pro-consumer policies
noncoml 9y ago
> Paying for a "fast lane" is anti-net-neutrality Who is paying for "fast lane" in this case? Please do correct me if I am wrong, but the way I understand it, video providers don't have to pay T-Mobile to be part of binge-on.
- jerkstate 9y ago
  You can read more in the original Net Neutrality declaration: https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/201... on pp. 53-66, from "No Paid Prioritization" to "Sponsored Data and Usage Allowances" Binge on also "optimizes" your stream for mobile performance, i.e. throttles it to the data rate of SD, which is also against the rules in net neutrality.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - noncoml 9y ago
    These are technicalities that are not important at this specific moment or applicable to the argument. The important part is that T-Mobile is not one of the companies that want to destroy net neutrality. Your fight may be just, but it’s for a later time, when net neutrality is saved.
    - mr_spothawk 9y ago
      > These are technicalities that are not important at this specific moment or applicable to the argument. These technicalities are important, because they represent the bulk of the question: "what is NN?" Also, the FCC rules from 2015 don't even apply to mobile carriers...
      - jerkstate 9y ago
        That is not correct. The 2015 order does in fact apply to wireless carriers: https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/201... pp. 9-10: Consistent with the 2010 Order, today’s Order applies its rules to the consumer-facing service that broadband networks provide, which is known as “broadband Internet access service” (BIAS) and is defined to be: A mass-market retail service by wire or radio that provides the capability to transmit data to and receive data from all or substantially all Internet endpoints, including any capabilities that are incidental to and enable the operation of the communications service, but excluding dial-up Internet access service. This term also encompasses any service that the Commission finds to be providing a functional equivalent of the service described in the previous sentence, or that is used to evade the protections set forth in this Part.
syrrim 9y ago
Ive never understood how such a system is profitable. Surely it costs them money to provide streamig service. How is it that they are able to sell it for free? Perhaps it is provided as a loss leader?
- jerkstate 9y ago
  Business practices can be both anti-competitive and pro-consumer at the same time.
- acomjean 9y ago
  I think it helps them control costs. My understanding is T-mobile is basically providing a lower speed than normal pipe for video so it streams at a lower quality. On mobile it probably quality doesn't matter as much, so overall it reduces the overall network bandwidth.