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Of course EV is broken -- of more like, people's mental model of the benefits that EV confers is broken. As noted in the article, an EV cert asserts that the do
by niftich 9y ago
Of course EV is broken -- of more like, people's mental model of the benefits that EV confers is broken. As noted in the article, an EV cert asserts that the domain name is controlled by a legal entity in some jurisdiction. This is a very distinct notion from the site that you've arrived at being the site that you were intending to visit, but people use it as a terrible, flawed proxy for such.
On the topic of certs, last year, when Google announced they were now a root CA [1], I remarked that this made a lot of sense, because "who better to say that Google is indeed Google than Google itself?" [2]
I went on to write that not everyone runs a root CA because coordination of trust between various parties is difficult, and so are the mechanics and practices of running a CA, but if your browser (and/or OS) is the final gatekeeper of the trust anyway, why not just push trust towards the edges and out of the middle? Certainly, the most-visited websites could easily be in this boat.
As it stands today, the most-visited websites already don't use EV, because DV certs are good enough for their needs. People trust their website by fiat, simply by mental associations about their domain names, an imperfect process that makes plausibly-looking domain names such an effective tool for phishing. But users already fall for phishing conducted from ridiculous domain names too, so there's not much point.
[1] https://pki.goog/ https://pki.goog/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13495262 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13495262
- tialaramex 9y agoAlthough Google has announced its intent to seek trust as a root CA it has not received that trust from major trust stores. Most of the stores don't provide any tracking information but Mozilla operates entirely in the open, so you can see here that Google are some day down their list: https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Dashboard#Information_Verification https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Dashboard#Information_Verificati... Mozilla's process takes about two years on average (Google know what they're doing so it might be 18 months, people who are hapless or clueless often take 5+ years and give up) and most other trust stores seem to take longer, although heaven only knows what they're doing since we can't see it.
- pfg 9y agoIt's worth mentioning that they also acquired two root certificates from GlobalSign that are already trusted by most root programs. Some of their sites are already using this trust chain.