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Pasteurization is only necessary for transportation. If you drink fresh milk from a clean source, the risk of disease is quite low. And I have nothing to gain b
by spraak 9y ago
Pasteurization is only necessary for transportation. If you drink fresh milk from a clean source, the risk of disease is quite low. And I have nothing to gain by sharing this as a vegan :P
- emodendroket 9y agoThere's no risk from drinking milk from cows with open sores on their utters?
- emodendroket 9y agoI meant udders here but that's probably obvious.
- spraak 9y agoUgh. Can you read? I said a clean source and LOW risk, not NO risk.
- emodendroket 9y agoAnd as we all know it was really rare for cattle in the Middle Ages to be ill.
- coldtea 9y agoWhy would they be ill more frequently than not? If anything, their lives were much better, and the environment much better than today's cows in industrial production settings. In any case, anybody who hasn't spent all their lives in western cities, but knows rural communities, can attest to millions drinking fresh milk with very low risk for ages...
- emodendroket 9y agoMilkmaids commonly had cowpox, did they not?
- DanBC 9y agoThis is incorrect. Raw milk is not a low risk product. Raw milk is sold in tiny quantities, but regularly causes harm. That harm isn't limited to a bit of diarrhea, sometimes it's life-changing permantent damage. The risks of raw milk are more severe for children, and children are often not asked for, nor able to give, consent to engage in this risky behaviour. Many outbreaks of raw milk poisoning included a child under 5. (Some of these children needed kidney transplant).
- spraak 9y agoAgain, as a vegan I really don't care about (cow) milk, but please give evidence to that it "regularly" causes harm.
- emodendroket 9y agohttps://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/rawmilk-outbreaks.html https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/rawmilk-outbreaks.htm... > From 2007 through 2012, 26 states reported 81 outbreaks linked to raw milk. The outbreaks caused 979 illnesses and 73 hospitalizations. > From 2007 through 2009, 30 outbreaks were linked to raw milk. This increased to 51 outbreaks from 2010 through 2012. Among outbreaks in which the food or drink linked to the outbreak was identified, the percentage associated with raw milk increased from 2% from 2007 through 2009 to 5% from 2010 through 2012. [...] > Probably no more than 1% of the milk consumed in the United States is raw, yet more outbreaks were linked to raw milk than by pasteurized milk. > If you consider the number of outbreaks associated with raw milk in light of the very small amount of milk that is consumed raw, the risk of outbreaks linked to raw milk is at least 150 times greater than the risk of outbreaks linked to pasteurized milk. [...] E. coli O157:H7, which can cause kidney failure and death, was a common cause of outbreaks linked to raw milk. Relatively mild viral infections and toxins were common causes of outbreaks linked to pasteurized milk. This seems pretty high relative to the number of people regularly consuming raw milk.