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Please, read this before upvoting: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/move-over-christopher-shaw-theres-a-new-antivaccine-scientist-in-town/ https://sciencebased

by aylons 9y ago

Please, read this before upvoting: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/move-over-christopher-shaw-theres-a-new-antivaccine-scientist-in-town/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/move-over-christopher-shaw-...

WhitneyLand 9y ago
He ought to be shot. For the damage I see these people cause to real families I know. So much wasted time, money on bad treatments, and worst, the emotional toll of being led down a path and duped over your child’s well being. Are these guys cranks who believe what they say or is it a simple grab for fame and fortune?
exhilaration 9y ago
We should upvote both the story and your comment. I've never seen such an elegant debunking of the suggestion that aluminum causes X disease and it would be a shame if the rest of HN readers never get to see it because this submission gets nuked.
- dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
  I second that - I'm very grateful for the comment and I'm sorry to see the submission nuked.
SAI_Peregrinus 9y ago
Even if all the numbers were correct, and the measurements correct, and there were a control group, and solid proof that aluminium actually caused autism... there would still be the issue that there's just not enough aluminum in the vaccines to account for the amount seen. According to [1] there should be about 4.4mg total from vaccines. If you add up all the maximum numbers, and get all the vaccines (both pediatric and adult, as well as the different variants that cover some diseases multiple times like getting Hep A, Hep B, and HepA/B combined vaccines you get 7.5mg. Yet this study is reporting a brain with 11ug/g aluminium. For an average brain mass of 1.3kg that comes out to about 14mg total aluminum: nearly twice the maximum possible vaccine-related dose. So the question of where all the extra aluminium came from would remain! Of course we ingest an order of magnitude more aluminium through food than gets injected in vaccines, so avoiding vaccines would still be an idiotic idea. [1] http://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/aluminum http://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-cente...
diyseguy 9y ago
It is not vaccines in and of themselves, but the aluminum based adjuvants that introduce aluminum directly into the body. Other adjuvants can be used in vaccines instead. The research does not suggest avoiding vaccinations, but that a non-aluminum based adjuvant be used instead.

by aylons 9y ago

WhitneyLand 9y ago

He ought to be shot. For the damage I see these people cause to real families I know. So much wasted time, money on bad treatments, and worst, the emotional toll of being led down a path and duped over your child’s well being. Are these guys cranks who believe what they say or is it a simple grab for fame and fortune?

exhilaration 9y ago

We should upvote both the story and your comment. I've never seen such an elegant debunking of the suggestion that aluminum causes X disease and it would be a shame if the rest of HN readers never get to see it because this submission gets nuked.

dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
I second that - I'm very grateful for the comment and I'm sorry to see the submission nuked.

SAI_Peregrinus 9y ago

Even if all the numbers were correct, and the measurements correct, and there were a control group, and solid proof that aluminium actually caused autism... there would still be the issue that there's just not enough aluminum in the vaccines to account for the amount seen. According to [1] there should be about 4.4mg total from vaccines. If you add up all the maximum numbers, and get all the vaccines (both pediatric and adult, as well as the different variants that cover some diseases multiple times like getting Hep A, Hep B, and HepA/B combined vaccines you get 7.5mg. Yet this study is reporting a brain with 11ug/g aluminium. For an average brain mass of 1.3kg that comes out to about 14mg total aluminum: nearly twice the maximum possible vaccine-related dose. So the question of where all the extra aluminium came from would remain! Of course we ingest an order of magnitude more aluminium through food than gets injected in vaccines, so avoiding vaccines would still be an idiotic idea. [1] http://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/aluminum http://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-cente...

diyseguy 9y ago

It is not vaccines in and of themselves, but the aluminum based adjuvants that introduce aluminum directly into the body. Other adjuvants can be used in vaccines instead. The research does not suggest avoiding vaccinations, but that a non-aluminum based adjuvant be used instead.