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Possible conflict with the name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language)

by m00s3 9y ago

matthewmueller 9y ago
Hmm, good catch. Let's see how it plays out :-)
- nerdponx 9y ago
  Why not call it JoyGo or JoyJS or Go2js or something? No reason to cause name (and command line) confusion just because you like a name.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    Joy is coming up on 15 years without a release, there should probably be a statute of limitations on this sort of thing.
    - JustSomeNobody 9y ago
      I disagree. You'll end up with new languages using the names of older languages. Besides, software can at some point be done.
      - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
        Software can also fade into irrelevance, which is what has happened to Joy.
        a-nikolaev 9y ago
        Joy is a mathematical language similar to lambda calculus. It's getting old very slowly, slower that this compiler.
        carapace 9y ago
        Yes, Joy is amazing. I have been working through the Advent of Code puzzles with it and the code keeps coming out error-free. It delivers on Backus' idea of algebra of programs (aka "Functional Programming") in a direct and entertaining way. It also seems amenable to efficient compilation. I'm pretty sure Joy is a kind of "silver bullet" for programming, in the sense that, as "software is eating the world", Joy will eat software. I have some Jupyter Notebooks here (also in HTML and md formats; md is good for looking at the 'books in situ on github): https://github.com/calroc/joypy/tree/master/docs https://github.com/calroc/joypy/tree/master/docs
    - shabbyrobe 9y ago
      Alas, Manfred von Thun is no longer with us. Seems unlikely there will be another release.
      - petecox 9y ago
        Manfred taught me mathematical logic back in the mid 90s. It was only much later browsing functional programming topics that I discovered his language and that he had passed away. RIP.
        carapace 9y ago
        What was he like?
        shabbyrobe 9y ago
        My mate has an awesome story about providing technical support to him on campus. I hope neither he nor the deceased mind me relating it. "Hello. Tech support? This is Manfred von Thun. My computer is not working." "OK, no problem, do you have a PC or a Mac?" "Neither." <Pause> "Neither?" "Yes. Neither." "Ok, what do you have, then?" "I have a terminal which connects to the mainframe." <Pause> "OK, I'll be right over." Sure enough, he gets there and there's some godforsaken yellowing text-only terminal thing with a wire plugged into some weird port he'd never seen before, presumably wending its way into the bowels of the university to some long-lost, dusty piece of big iron from computing's distant past. My mate was incredulous. "So what do you do with this, exactly?" "I write papers, I write programs, I make web pages." "Web pages!?" "Yes, web pages. But I don't believe in graphics." In spite of his protestations about GUIs, he was eventually given a brand spanking new eMac (this was around about the time he was creating Joy). Once he saw Terminal.app, he no longer seemed particularly concerned.
        petecox 9y ago
        Every staff member had one of those. They opened new computer labs at La Trobe in about 1995 but before that it was VTxxx terminals accessing a mixture of VMS or *nix, I believe. I remember using vi in typesetting a paper with LaTeX before print previewing a DVI on one of the PC or Mac machines.
  - weberc2 9y ago
    Guaranteed unique project name generator: `uuidgen`
- carapace 9y ago
  I came here to say the same thing in re: the name conflict with Joy PL. I'm currently working on a Joy interpreter. I'm just getting it ready to post to PyPI (it's implemented in Python.) It's pretty obscure, but I have high hopes for the language. It has some amazing qualities.
  - matthewmueller 9y ago
    Awesome! I thought about it a little more and I don't think there should be an issue. This project is a compiler, not a language – Go is the language. It's analogous to Javascript and Babel.
    - carapace 9y ago
      Weird, I thought I deleted that comment. Yeah, I don't actually think it will be a problem in practice. (And anyway I refer to my interpreter as "Joypy".) It was sort of a knee-jerk reaction to seeing the name. BTW, awesome idea and project! I hope it gets traction (at least until WASM "hits", eh?)
HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
Very appropriate, since googles go did the exact same thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_(programming_language)

Possible conflict with the name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language)

by m00s3 9y ago

Possible conflict with the name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language)

matthewmueller 9y ago

Hmm, good catch. Let's see how it plays out :-)

nerdponx 9y ago
Why not call it JoyGo or JoyJS or Go2js or something? No reason to cause name (and command line) confusion just because you like a name.
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  Joy is coming up on 15 years without a release, there should probably be a statute of limitations on this sort of thing.
  - JustSomeNobody 9y ago
    I disagree. You'll end up with new languages using the names of older languages. Besides, software can at some point be done.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
      Software can also fade into irrelevance, which is what has happened to Joy.
      - a-nikolaev 9y ago
        Joy is a mathematical language similar to lambda calculus. It's getting old very slowly, slower that this compiler.
        carapace 9y ago
        Yes, Joy is amazing. I have been working through the Advent of Code puzzles with it and the code keeps coming out error-free. It delivers on Backus' idea of algebra of programs (aka "Functional Programming") in a direct and entertaining way. It also seems amenable to efficient compilation. I'm pretty sure Joy is a kind of "silver bullet" for programming, in the sense that, as "software is eating the world", Joy will eat software. I have some Jupyter Notebooks here (also in HTML and md formats; md is good for looking at the 'books in situ on github): https://github.com/calroc/joypy/tree/master/docs https://github.com/calroc/joypy/tree/master/docs
  - shabbyrobe 9y ago
    Alas, Manfred von Thun is no longer with us. Seems unlikely there will be another release.
    - petecox 9y ago
      Manfred taught me mathematical logic back in the mid 90s. It was only much later browsing functional programming topics that I discovered his language and that he had passed away. RIP.
      - carapace 9y ago
        What was he like?
        shabbyrobe 9y ago
        My mate has an awesome story about providing technical support to him on campus. I hope neither he nor the deceased mind me relating it. "Hello. Tech support? This is Manfred von Thun. My computer is not working." "OK, no problem, do you have a PC or a Mac?" "Neither." <Pause> "Neither?" "Yes. Neither." "Ok, what do you have, then?" "I have a terminal which connects to the mainframe." <Pause> "OK, I'll be right over." Sure enough, he gets there and there's some godforsaken yellowing text-only terminal thing with a wire plugged into some weird port he'd never seen before, presumably wending its way into the bowels of the university to some long-lost, dusty piece of big iron from computing's distant past. My mate was incredulous. "So what do you do with this, exactly?" "I write papers, I write programs, I make web pages." "Web pages!?" "Yes, web pages. But I don't believe in graphics." In spite of his protestations about GUIs, he was eventually given a brand spanking new eMac (this was around about the time he was creating Joy). Once he saw Terminal.app, he no longer seemed particularly concerned.
        petecox 9y ago
        Every staff member had one of those. They opened new computer labs at La Trobe in about 1995 but before that it was VTxxx terminals accessing a mixture of VMS or *nix, I believe. I remember using vi in typesetting a paper with LaTeX before print previewing a DVI on one of the PC or Mac machines.
- weberc2 9y ago
  Guaranteed unique project name generator: `uuidgen`
carapace 9y ago
I came here to say the same thing in re: the name conflict with Joy PL. I'm currently working on a Joy interpreter. I'm just getting it ready to post to PyPI (it's implemented in Python.) It's pretty obscure, but I have high hopes for the language. It has some amazing qualities.
- matthewmueller 9y ago
  Awesome! I thought about it a little more and I don't think there should be an issue. This project is a compiler, not a language – Go is the language. It's analogous to Javascript and Babel.
  - carapace 9y ago
    Weird, I thought I deleted that comment. Yeah, I don't actually think it will be a problem in practice. (And anyway I refer to my interpreter as "Joypy".) It was sort of a knee-jerk reaction to seeing the name. BTW, awesome idea and project! I hope it gets traction (at least until WASM "hits", eh?)

HumanDrivenDev 9y ago

Very appropriate, since googles go did the exact same thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_(programming_language)