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Answer to headline: Nothing. We should follow Estonia's lead IMO. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/18/estonia-the-digital-republic https://www.newyor

Answer to headline: Nothing. We should follow Estonia's lead IMO. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/18/estonia-the-digital-republic https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/18/estonia-the-di... 'A tenet of the Estonian system is that an individual owns all information recorded about him or her. Every time a doctor (or a border guard, a police officer, a banker, or a minister) glances at any of Piperal’s secure data online, that look is recorded and reported. Peeping at another person’s secure data for no reason is a criminal offense. “In Estonia, we don’t have Big Brother; we have Little Brother,” a local told me. “You can tell him what to do and maybe also beat him up.”'

astura 9y ago
How is this much different from the Fair Credit Reporting Act+HIPAA in the US other than extending some of the information covered? https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/pdf-0096-fair-credit-reporting-act.pdf https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/pdf-0096-fair-credit-r... >Access to your file is limited. A consumer reporting agency may provide information about you only to people with a valid need -- usually to consider an application with a creditor, insurer, employer, landlord, or other business. The FCRA specifies those with a valid need for access. >You must give your consent for reports to be provided to employers. A consumer reporting agency may not give out information about you to your employer, or a potential employer, without your written consent given to the employer. Written consent generally is not required in the trucking industry.
- olivermarks 9y ago
  @Astura Estonia are actively enforcing their policy around X-road, the US (where I reside) is full of loopholes exploited by big tech platforms
- boomboomsubban 9y ago
  It applies to things besides your credit score and your medical records for a start. The FCRA isn't comparable. It's allowing a private agency to collect data without your consent, and then give it to those with a "valid need" without your consent. Only employers have some limitations.
eternalban 9y ago
But this sort of common sense approach to the problem doesn't fit with the neoliberal gospel, and what is clearly a political issue is construed as either an economic or technological issue. OP's premise also entirely ignores the fact that our "digital footprints" traverse spaces of others' (think email) regardless of our individual choice.
craftyguy 9y ago
Sounds great, but other than Estonia conquoring the rest of the world, I just don't see how anything even close to this would be implemented in, say, the US.
- olivermarks 9y ago
  Estonia is interesting as they endeavoring to be the first landless, borderless 'digital' state. The New Yorker article does a good job of describing this. The only longterm potential downside is the realities of globalization roll up of these concepts into world government and monitoring..but that may well be imposed anyway...
seorphates 9y ago
I am of a similar mind. Every single droplet of data that would not or could not exist without you, about you or because of you should, effectively, be "copyright" you. Every single drip. Everything. Use it without permission and, well, you're just another a dirty wire pirate.
- esmi 9y ago
  If I connect to someone’s server and they log it then that’s data that could not exist without me but it could also not exist without them. So it is mine or theirs?
jgamman 9y ago
i wonder if you could set up an agent on your phone (for instance) that 'sells' one ad per day to the highest bidder. your data profile lives on your phone encrypted up the wazoo but there's an API that goes out, finds the company wanting to get in touch with x, y, z person and is willing to pay, say $50 to get in touch with you.
TheCoelacanth 9y ago
Sounds good, but I don't see that letting you keep the things discussed in the article. > 1. No more free services. > 2. No more personalization. > 3. No more instant gratification.

astura 9y ago

How is this much different from the Fair Credit Reporting Act+HIPAA in the US other than extending some of the information covered? https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/pdf-0096-fair-credit-reporting-act.pdf https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/pdf-0096-fair-credit-r... >Access to your file is limited. A consumer reporting agency may provide information about you only to people with a valid need -- usually to consider an application with a creditor, insurer, employer, landlord, or other business. The FCRA specifies those with a valid need for access. >You must give your consent for reports to be provided to employers. A consumer reporting agency may not give out information about you to your employer, or a potential employer, without your written consent given to the employer. Written consent generally is not required in the trucking industry.

olivermarks 9y ago
@Astura Estonia are actively enforcing their policy around X-road, the US (where I reside) is full of loopholes exploited by big tech platforms
boomboomsubban 9y ago
It applies to things besides your credit score and your medical records for a start. The FCRA isn't comparable. It's allowing a private agency to collect data without your consent, and then give it to those with a "valid need" without your consent. Only employers have some limitations.

eternalban 9y ago

But this sort of common sense approach to the problem doesn't fit with the neoliberal gospel, and what is clearly a political issue is construed as either an economic or technological issue. OP's premise also entirely ignores the fact that our "digital footprints" traverse spaces of others' (think email) regardless of our individual choice.

craftyguy 9y ago

Sounds great, but other than Estonia conquoring the rest of the world, I just don't see how anything even close to this would be implemented in, say, the US.

olivermarks 9y ago
Estonia is interesting as they endeavoring to be the first landless, borderless 'digital' state. The New Yorker article does a good job of describing this. The only longterm potential downside is the realities of globalization roll up of these concepts into world government and monitoring..but that may well be imposed anyway...

seorphates 9y ago

I am of a similar mind. Every single droplet of data that would not or could not exist without you, about you or because of you should, effectively, be "copyright" you. Every single drip. Everything. Use it without permission and, well, you're just another a dirty wire pirate.

esmi 9y ago
If I connect to someone’s server and they log it then that’s data that could not exist without me but it could also not exist without them. So it is mine or theirs?

jgamman 9y ago

i wonder if you could set up an agent on your phone (for instance) that 'sells' one ad per day to the highest bidder. your data profile lives on your phone encrypted up the wazoo but there's an API that goes out, finds the company wanting to get in touch with x, y, z person and is willing to pay, say $50 to get in touch with you.

TheCoelacanth 9y ago

Sounds good, but I don't see that letting you keep the things discussed in the article. > 1. No more free services. > 2. No more personalization. > 3. No more instant gratification.