> Spammers, etc. all want a cheap easy payday, that's the entire point (money for minimal time). I'm under the impression that spamming isn't as easy as it onc

> Spammers, etc. all want a cheap easy payday, that's the entire point (money for minimal time). I'm under the impression that spamming isn't as easy as it once was, and a fair amount of effort needs to be devoted to bypassing spam/abuse detection and blocks, which is exactly what a shadowban is. > Once the system became unreliable for them, they just moved on to something else. I would imagine that would depend on if there are equivalent services that the spammer could more easily migrate to. It sounds like they didn't move on from spamming, just from your service. Switching to drop in replacement would definitely be easier than writing a shadowban detector. I'm just disputing that shadowbanning is a more effective solution than straight bans. It's just not that much harder to detect.