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You mean they're obviously not /planning/ to shoot up the place.

ars 9y ago
Your theory is someone accidentally brought their gun with them. So they figure: "I might as well just shoot up the place since I anyway have a gun?"
- jacquesm 9y ago
  No, those are the people the NRA claims will stop the bad guys.
  - pdx 9y ago
    CCW citizens are very often the people who take down such shooters. Your comment seems to imply otherwise. A recent example is the Texas church shooting that happened recently, where an armed citizen with a non-concealed firearm in that case, wounded and then chased down the shooter, unfortunately after he had already killed multiple people. Sadly, nobody in the church was armed, as even CCW holders who frequently go armed will not think to do so at church.
    - auntienomen 9y ago
      So: Your one example of a CCW isn't actually a CCW?
      - jonnycoder 9y ago
        A CCW applies to storing loaded firearms in a vehicle in a state that otherwise makes that illegal (California). His example does apply broadly (I don't know the specific Texas laws).
        UncleEntity 9y ago
        Umm, no. A CCW lets you Carry a Concealed Weapon and has nothing to do with the storing of loaded firearms in vehicles. Though I suppose it would apply if you are in said vehicle and then 'storing' would become 'carrying'. --edit-- But who knows about California in particular because their firearm laws are wacky. Back when I lived there the rule was "two steps" away from having a loaded firearm in your vehicle, ie: take the gun out of a case then load the magazine (IIRC of course, that was almost 20 years ago).
        madengr 9y ago
        It DOES pertain to car storage. In most states the CCW is defined as “on or about your person”. No difference between your hip and glovebox. Note there is also a distinction between CCW and CCH. A CCH does not get you out of transportation laws for long guns.
        jonnycoder 9y ago
        That's why I said broadly, as CCW rules differ everywhere. In CA, it is illegal to carry in public buildings, schools, etc, so they clearly outline and review (in person with a sheriff deputy) legal approval to store/keep a loaded gun in your car (out of site) for these types of scenarios.
      - pdx 9y ago
        My one example? Yes, I gave one example. You're a bit of an ass, aren't you? OK, here's 6 more from the top of Google. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/04/armed-citizen-police-defense/ https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/04/armed-citizen-p...
        dang 9y ago
        Yikes, please don't do personal attacks here regardless of how wrong, or provocative, someone else was. That's the downward spiral we all need the strength to pull out of. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - jonnycoder 9y ago
    Educate yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/
- piyh 9y ago
  More like negligent discharges or crimes of passion by drunk gamblers.
- ihattendorf 9y ago
  The perfect crime. /s

ars 9y ago

Your theory is someone accidentally brought their gun with them. So they figure: "I might as well just shoot up the place since I anyway have a gun?"

jacquesm 9y ago
No, those are the people the NRA claims will stop the bad guys.
- pdx 9y ago
  CCW citizens are very often the people who take down such shooters. Your comment seems to imply otherwise. A recent example is the Texas church shooting that happened recently, where an armed citizen with a non-concealed firearm in that case, wounded and then chased down the shooter, unfortunately after he had already killed multiple people. Sadly, nobody in the church was armed, as even CCW holders who frequently go armed will not think to do so at church.
  - auntienomen 9y ago
    So: Your one example of a CCW isn't actually a CCW?
    - jonnycoder 9y ago
      A CCW applies to storing loaded firearms in a vehicle in a state that otherwise makes that illegal (California). His example does apply broadly (I don't know the specific Texas laws).
      - UncleEntity 9y ago
        Umm, no. A CCW lets you Carry a Concealed Weapon and has nothing to do with the storing of loaded firearms in vehicles. Though I suppose it would apply if you are in said vehicle and then 'storing' would become 'carrying'. --edit-- But who knows about California in particular because their firearm laws are wacky. Back when I lived there the rule was "two steps" away from having a loaded firearm in your vehicle, ie: take the gun out of a case then load the magazine (IIRC of course, that was almost 20 years ago).
        madengr 9y ago
        It DOES pertain to car storage. In most states the CCW is defined as “on or about your person”. No difference between your hip and glovebox. Note there is also a distinction between CCW and CCH. A CCH does not get you out of transportation laws for long guns.
        jonnycoder 9y ago
        That's why I said broadly, as CCW rules differ everywhere. In CA, it is illegal to carry in public buildings, schools, etc, so they clearly outline and review (in person with a sheriff deputy) legal approval to store/keep a loaded gun in your car (out of site) for these types of scenarios.
    - pdx 9y ago
      My one example? Yes, I gave one example. You're a bit of an ass, aren't you? OK, here's 6 more from the top of Google. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/04/armed-citizen-police-defense/ https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/04/armed-citizen-p...
      - dang 9y ago
        Yikes, please don't do personal attacks here regardless of how wrong, or provocative, someone else was. That's the downward spiral we all need the strength to pull out of. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- jonnycoder 9y ago
  Educate yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/
piyh 9y ago
More like negligent discharges or crimes of passion by drunk gamblers.
ihattendorf 9y ago
The perfect crime. /s