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Why would that be a bad thing?
by aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 9y ago
Why would that be a bad thing?
- madengr 9y agoBecause those probably are not the ones who would shoot up the place.
- aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 9y agoYou mean they're obviously not /planning/ to shoot up the place.
- ars 9y agoYour theory is someone accidentally brought their gun with them. So they figure: "I might as well just shoot up the place since I anyway have a gun?"
- jacquesm 9y agoNo, those are the people the NRA claims will stop the bad guys.
- pdx 9y agoCCW citizens are very often the people who take down such shooters. Your comment seems to imply otherwise. A recent example is the Texas church shooting that happened recently, where an armed citizen with a non-concealed firearm in that case, wounded and then chased down the shooter, unfortunately after he had already killed multiple people. Sadly, nobody in the church was armed, as even CCW holders who frequently go armed will not think to do so at church.
- auntienomen 9y agoSo: Your one example of a CCW isn't actually a CCW?
- jonnycoder 9y agoA CCW applies to storing loaded firearms in a vehicle in a state that otherwise makes that illegal (California). His example does apply broadly (I don't know the specific Texas laws).
- UncleEntity 9y agoUmm, no. A CCW lets you Carry a Concealed Weapon and has nothing to do with the storing of loaded firearms in vehicles. Though I suppose it would apply if you are in said vehicle and then 'storing' would become 'carrying'. --edit-- But who knows about California in particular because their firearm laws are wacky. Back when I lived there the rule was "two steps" away from having a loaded firearm in your vehicle, ie: take the gun out of a case then load the magazine (IIRC of course, that was almost 20 years ago).
- madengr 9y agoIt DOES pertain to car storage. In most states the CCW is defined as “on or about your person”. No difference between your hip and glovebox. Note there is also a distinction between CCW and CCH. A CCH does not get you out of transportation laws for long guns.
- jonnycoder 9y agoThat's why I said broadly, as CCW rules differ everywhere. In CA, it is illegal to carry in public buildings, schools, etc, so they clearly outline and review (in person with a sheriff deputy) legal approval to store/keep a loaded gun in your car (out of site) for these types of scenarios.
- pdx 9y agoMy one example? Yes, I gave one example. You're a bit of an ass, aren't you? OK, here's 6 more from the top of Google. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/04/armed-citizen-police-defense/ https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/04/armed-citizen-p...
- jonnycoder 9y agoEducate yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/
- piyh 9y agoMore like negligent discharges or crimes of passion by drunk gamblers.
- ihattendorf 9y agoThe perfect crime. /s
- mikestew 9y agoNot until they’re on their sixth complimentary whiskey sour and someone bumps into them.
- nitrogen 9y agoHow often does that scenario happen?
- mikestew 9y agoMy personal experience says that confrontations over minor shit happens at a non-trivial frequency where alcohol is served. Throw in poor alcohol-induced judgement with firearms, and someone’s going to feel compelled to settle it by waving a gun around. Odds are, no shots will be fired but accidents do happen when you’re drunk. Now, it’s not like this happens all the time, but I’ve seen it more than once with someone whipping out a firearm, and plenty of times over the decades where it ends up in a fight. Keep in mind this is all anecdotal, and somewhat specific to certain parts of the U. S.
- LyndsySimon 9y agoI urge you to consider selection bias here. I suspect there isn't significant overlap in the following populations: * people who submit to background checks, fees, and hassle to obtain a carry permit * people who carry firearms while intoxicated * people who are inclined to settle an argument with a firearm
- mikestew 9y agoI urge you to consider selection bias here Consider it? Hell, I openly admitted to it.
- LyndsySimon 9y agoFair enough :) My own biases include that I often hear people implying that someone with a carry permit is more likely to use a firearm in a crime than someone who does not. That saddens me, and I do my best to try and challenge that idea (gently, in a professional manner) whenever I can. It looks like I jumped the gun a bit here :)
- nkrisc 9y agoA person with a gun is statistically more likely to shoot up a place than a person without a gun.
- apple4ever 9y agoA person with with a CCW permit is statistically less likely to commit a crime than a cop.