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In Lain it was a motif which represented the interconnectedness of modern society. Notice how they called the internet "The Wired". Idk enough about evangelion

In Lain it was a motif which represented the interconnectedness of modern society. Notice how they called the internet "The Wired". Idk enough about evangelion to comment.

exelius 9y ago
In Evangelion, power represented civilization in various stages of decline. It's post-apocalyptic, so the state of the infrastructure shows you if an area has been abandoned, reclaimed, etc. The Evas (basically giant mecha) have to be tethered to power to work, etc. The whole theme of the anime centers around the type of arrogance Man (in this case, a single man) would show in the face of annihilation by God, and how a man could resist God's influence and effectively become a god himself. Christian iconography is very prevalent as well (power lines form natural crosses); especially in End of Evangelion. Electric power is then itself a form of rebellion against God. It's a super symbolically dense anime; in fact they pack in too much symbolism and it causes the show to lose focus toward the end which it never really regains -- the last 2 episodes of the original series are essentially 100% symbolism because the studio ran out of money and had to use recycled animation and stock footage with voice-overs (End of Evangelion replaces those two episodes in the storyline).
- sexydefinesher 9y ago
  Ive heard that they put in christian imagery just because it was cool and with no real purpose.
  - exelius 9y ago
    I dunno; the biblical imagery is pretty central to the plot (Adam/Eve, Angels, Lance of Longinus, etc.) There's a strong implication that this takes place during "the rapture" and in fact, EoE shows what is basically a textbook version of rapture. It's not used with the same level of reverence it would be in the West (it's treated more of the way we would treat a story about Greek gods) so it may seem hokey to Western viewers, but the imagery is definitely there and used for central plot purposes.
    - JohnBooty 9y ago
      I'm of the camp that says that the Judeo-Christian symbolism is mostly faux symbolism. Window-dressing, basically. (FWIW I'm writing this as an atheist and a huge fan of Evangelion) To choose an arbitrary example: Sure, there's a "Spear of Longinus" but there's no real relation to what's in the Bible. In the Bible it's an unremarkable thing, used for a remarkable purpose against a single being, Jesus. Literally any spear (or rock, or whatever) would have accomplished the same thing in the Bible. In Evangelion... it's no ordinary object. It's a superweapon that serves as a trump card against a variety of beings, none of whom are particularly Christ-like. Oh, and there's more than one. Shinji is somewhat of a reluctant "savior" for the human race, which is vaguely Christ-like, but little else in his story matches up with Jesus' life. Same with the crosses. In Christianity, crosses mean one thing: they're a reminder of Jesus' sacrifice and the chance for salvation. There is nothing magical about a cross itself; it's just a reminder of events past. In Evangelion, crosses are over the place. Misato wears a cross, Lilith is nailed to a cross, the Angels make cross-shaped explosions, the Evas are transported on cross-like frames, and people apparently turn into glowy crosses during Instrumentality. But there's no Christ figure in Evangelion, and nobody seems to be pining for one. They don't even seem to be aware of Christianity for the most part, and are certainly not reverent of it. In fact, it's just the opposite - all the major players in the story seem to be determined to fashion their own fate for man, rather than submitting to a higher power. Ultimately, you could cut and paste out all the crosses and replace them with some other evocative token, and the story would remain unchanged.
  - oshepherd 9y ago
    The use of christian symbology in evangelion is both meaningless and deep. like, the use of christian symbology is arbitrary and it poses basically no meaning to the plot, merely being used for texture; but someone with sufficient knowledge of it can use it to predict some short term plot points.
  - aidenn0 9y ago
    There have been many comments from creators to this point. The christian imagery was primarily to give it an exotic feel; just like many SciFi shows in the US borrow heavily from eastern traditions. Here's probably the most often quoted interview answer on the subject, from Kazua Tsurumaki: > There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice.[1] 1: http://web.archive.org/web/20020622231224/http://www.akadot.com:80/article/article-tsurumaki2.html http://web.archive.org/web/20020622231224/http://www.akadot....
    - ordinaryradical 9y ago
      It should be noted though that the creators have been historically unreliable about the interpretation of the show, and there is an undercurrent among the fandom that this answer may not be wholly truthful. Yes the Christianity/Jewish mysticism is in part about exoticism, but the accuracy with which they have deployed some of its concepts and symbols also appears to go beyond mere "spicing up."
  - Terr_ 9y ago
    It's insufficient to say "Relevant TVTropes article", but perhaps as an entry point into that cavernous maw": http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FauxSymbolism http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FauxSymbolism
    - krapp 9y ago
      Also: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnimeCatholicism http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnimeCatholicism
- aidenn0 9y ago
  There's a lot of imagery from Jewish traditions as well. (Besides the obvious Lilith connection, there is a giant Tree of Life in the opening credits!).
aidenn0 9y ago
Probably the most obvious theme of Evangelion is the subjugation of nature to humans (while constantly being contrasted with the futility of doing so). I think it's the very first episode where they get in a car on a hot day and a character turns on the AC while literally commenting on how air conditioning is a crowning achievement of mankind's domination over nature. Then the wires are shown to be the fragile extensions of people's ability to project power over nature (e.g. the titular giant Mecha only work for a limited time when not tethered to power).

In Lain it was a motif which represented the interconnectedness of modern society. Notice how they called the internet "The Wired". Idk enough about evangelion to comment.

exelius 9y ago

In Evangelion, power represented civilization in various stages of decline. It's post-apocalyptic, so the state of the infrastructure shows you if an area has been abandoned, reclaimed, etc. The Evas (basically giant mecha) have to be tethered to power to work, etc. The whole theme of the anime centers around the type of arrogance Man (in this case, a single man) would show in the face of annihilation by God, and how a man could resist God's influence and effectively become a god himself. Christian iconography is very prevalent as well (power lines form natural crosses); especially in End of Evangelion. Electric power is then itself a form of rebellion against God. It's a super symbolically dense anime; in fact they pack in too much symbolism and it causes the show to lose focus toward the end which it never really regains -- the last 2 episodes of the original series are essentially 100% symbolism because the studio ran out of money and had to use recycled animation and stock footage with voice-overs (End of Evangelion replaces those two episodes in the storyline).

sexydefinesher 9y ago
Ive heard that they put in christian imagery just because it was cool and with no real purpose.
- exelius 9y ago
  I dunno; the biblical imagery is pretty central to the plot (Adam/Eve, Angels, Lance of Longinus, etc.) There's a strong implication that this takes place during "the rapture" and in fact, EoE shows what is basically a textbook version of rapture. It's not used with the same level of reverence it would be in the West (it's treated more of the way we would treat a story about Greek gods) so it may seem hokey to Western viewers, but the imagery is definitely there and used for central plot purposes.
  - JohnBooty 9y ago
    I'm of the camp that says that the Judeo-Christian symbolism is mostly faux symbolism. Window-dressing, basically. (FWIW I'm writing this as an atheist and a huge fan of Evangelion) To choose an arbitrary example: Sure, there's a "Spear of Longinus" but there's no real relation to what's in the Bible. In the Bible it's an unremarkable thing, used for a remarkable purpose against a single being, Jesus. Literally any spear (or rock, or whatever) would have accomplished the same thing in the Bible. In Evangelion... it's no ordinary object. It's a superweapon that serves as a trump card against a variety of beings, none of whom are particularly Christ-like. Oh, and there's more than one. Shinji is somewhat of a reluctant "savior" for the human race, which is vaguely Christ-like, but little else in his story matches up with Jesus' life. Same with the crosses. In Christianity, crosses mean one thing: they're a reminder of Jesus' sacrifice and the chance for salvation. There is nothing magical about a cross itself; it's just a reminder of events past. In Evangelion, crosses are over the place. Misato wears a cross, Lilith is nailed to a cross, the Angels make cross-shaped explosions, the Evas are transported on cross-like frames, and people apparently turn into glowy crosses during Instrumentality. But there's no Christ figure in Evangelion, and nobody seems to be pining for one. They don't even seem to be aware of Christianity for the most part, and are certainly not reverent of it. In fact, it's just the opposite - all the major players in the story seem to be determined to fashion their own fate for man, rather than submitting to a higher power. Ultimately, you could cut and paste out all the crosses and replace them with some other evocative token, and the story would remain unchanged.
- oshepherd 9y ago
  The use of christian symbology in evangelion is both meaningless and deep. like, the use of christian symbology is arbitrary and it poses basically no meaning to the plot, merely being used for texture; but someone with sufficient knowledge of it can use it to predict some short term plot points.
- aidenn0 9y ago
  There have been many comments from creators to this point. The christian imagery was primarily to give it an exotic feel; just like many SciFi shows in the US borrow heavily from eastern traditions. Here's probably the most often quoted interview answer on the subject, from Kazua Tsurumaki: > There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice.[1] 1: http://web.archive.org/web/20020622231224/http://www.akadot.com:80/article/article-tsurumaki2.html http://web.archive.org/web/20020622231224/http://www.akadot....
  - ordinaryradical 9y ago
    It should be noted though that the creators have been historically unreliable about the interpretation of the show, and there is an undercurrent among the fandom that this answer may not be wholly truthful. Yes the Christianity/Jewish mysticism is in part about exoticism, but the accuracy with which they have deployed some of its concepts and symbols also appears to go beyond mere "spicing up."
- Terr_ 9y ago
  It's insufficient to say "Relevant TVTropes article", but perhaps as an entry point into that cavernous maw": http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FauxSymbolism http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FauxSymbolism
  - krapp 9y ago
    Also: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnimeCatholicism http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnimeCatholicism
aidenn0 9y ago
There's a lot of imagery from Jewish traditions as well. (Besides the obvious Lilith connection, there is a giant Tree of Life in the opening credits!).

aidenn0 9y ago

Probably the most obvious theme of Evangelion is the subjugation of nature to humans (while constantly being contrasted with the futility of doing so). I think it's the very first episode where they get in a car on a hot day and a character turns on the AC while literally commenting on how air conditioning is a crowning achievement of mankind's domination over nature. Then the wires are shown to be the fragile extensions of people's ability to project power over nature (e.g. the titular giant Mecha only work for a limited time when not tethered to power).