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It's not only about this, you needed to install more and more things every year in windows for it to work. You needed to install Cygwin, a proper terminal (cmd.

It's not only about this, you needed to install more and more things every year in windows for it to work. You needed to install Cygwin, a proper terminal (cmd.exe isn't exactly usable), python libraries, Putty, now Docker... Not to mention that since developers are only using Linux and Mac, you will have libraries which does not work on windows (because nobody even tried).

romanovcode 9y ago
> You needed to install Cygwin Just install Ubuntu Shell. Also, it's not like you don't need to install iTerm, zsh, docker, python libraries etc on mac. It's not like it comes with them by default. Your argument is kind of moot.
- djd20 9y ago
  A good terminal and python are both standard with OSX. Though I agree having homebrew does make life easier. Don't think Windows has an equivalent...
  - phit_ 9y ago
    chocolatey
  - schappim 9y ago
    Perhaps it was more the underlying compiler tool chain. With the compilers included in MacOS you can install nearly anything.
- vog 9y ago
  That's an interesting point. Mabye Homebrew, and its predecessors, were the real killer apps for mac?
- vetinari 9y ago
  You do not need to install iTerm and zsh; Terminal.app and bash will do the job just fine, alternate terminal and shell are just preferences. cmd.exe and conhost.exe won't do the job.
  - indeed30 9y ago
    Also zsh is pre-installed with the latest few versions of OS X anyway.
- stinky613 9y ago
  In addition to all the typical Bash tools, you also have C/C++/Objective-C, Apache, PHP, Ruby, Perl, Python, SQLite, and Apache. Maybe I just don't remember installing it, but I think macs have zsh out-of-the-box too.
  - fetbaffe 9y ago
    For PHP, MySQL and Apache on Windows I just unzip three different zip files and and then add some standard configuration. Done.
pjmlp 9y ago
> cmd.exe isn't exactly usable Depends, for the occasional deep into CLI world to run a script, is quite ok. Granted, the defaults regarding mouse copy-paste and window size were only improved on Windows 10. > Not to mention that since developers are only using Linux and Mac, you will have libraries which does not work on windows (because nobody even tried). Not all developers are pure UNIX devs doing POSIXy stuff.
- jenscow 9y ago
  I agree - cmd.exe is quite usable, especially considering it's (almost) always available no matter what machine you use. Why they're trying to replace it with Powershell rather than improving cmd.exe is silly, however.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    I happen to like Powershell's idea, as it is the closest to the REPL experience on Xerox PARC inspired systems, we get to have on mainstream environments, by using objects and having access to the full set OS APIs on the scripting prompt. However I do think it could have been made less verbose and dislike the ps1 extension, as the 1 (one) does not make sense.
    - ygra 9y ago
      Verbosity is something I tend to reserve for scripts (which should not rely on certain aliases existing). In the shell code I write approaches golfing idioms (perhaps inspired by the fact that I learned PowerShell by golfing in it). I think they've done a good job of having the verbose things readable and understandable, while also being able to shorten parameters as long as they remain unambiguous (and offering short aliases for cmdlets that are used all the time).
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
      Powershell has short default aliases for its verbose builtins, and most parameters have short versions as well. For instance, "%" is an alias for ForEach-Object, "ls" for Get-ChildItem, etc. And you can of course define your own.

romanovcode 9y ago

> You needed to install Cygwin Just install Ubuntu Shell. Also, it's not like you don't need to install iTerm, zsh, docker, python libraries etc on mac. It's not like it comes with them by default. Your argument is kind of moot.

djd20 9y ago
A good terminal and python are both standard with OSX. Though I agree having homebrew does make life easier. Don't think Windows has an equivalent...
- phit_ 9y ago
  chocolatey
- schappim 9y ago
  Perhaps it was more the underlying compiler tool chain. With the compilers included in MacOS you can install nearly anything.
vog 9y ago
That's an interesting point. Mabye Homebrew, and its predecessors, were the real killer apps for mac?
vetinari 9y ago
You do not need to install iTerm and zsh; Terminal.app and bash will do the job just fine, alternate terminal and shell are just preferences. cmd.exe and conhost.exe won't do the job.
- indeed30 9y ago
  Also zsh is pre-installed with the latest few versions of OS X anyway.
stinky613 9y ago
In addition to all the typical Bash tools, you also have C/C++/Objective-C, Apache, PHP, Ruby, Perl, Python, SQLite, and Apache. Maybe I just don't remember installing it, but I think macs have zsh out-of-the-box too.
- fetbaffe 9y ago
  For PHP, MySQL and Apache on Windows I just unzip three different zip files and and then add some standard configuration. Done.

pjmlp 9y ago

> cmd.exe isn't exactly usable Depends, for the occasional deep into CLI world to run a script, is quite ok. Granted, the defaults regarding mouse copy-paste and window size were only improved on Windows 10. > Not to mention that since developers are only using Linux and Mac, you will have libraries which does not work on windows (because nobody even tried). Not all developers are pure UNIX devs doing POSIXy stuff.

jenscow 9y ago
I agree - cmd.exe is quite usable, especially considering it's (almost) always available no matter what machine you use. Why they're trying to replace it with Powershell rather than improving cmd.exe is silly, however.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  I happen to like Powershell's idea, as it is the closest to the REPL experience on Xerox PARC inspired systems, we get to have on mainstream environments, by using objects and having access to the full set OS APIs on the scripting prompt. However I do think it could have been made less verbose and dislike the ps1 extension, as the 1 (one) does not make sense.
  - ygra 9y ago
    Verbosity is something I tend to reserve for scripts (which should not rely on certain aliases existing). In the shell code I write approaches golfing idioms (perhaps inspired by the fact that I learned PowerShell by golfing in it). I think they've done a good job of having the verbose things readable and understandable, while also being able to shorten parameters as long as they remain unambiguous (and offering short aliases for cmdlets that are used all the time).
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
    Powershell has short default aliases for its verbose builtins, and most parameters have short versions as well. For instance, "%" is an alias for ForEach-Object, "ls" for Get-ChildItem, etc. And you can of course define your own.