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From my point of view PHP 7.2 is a great choice for startups and with a small team, so build the product, make it run. If required then do some R&D to switch to

From my point of view PHP 7.2 is a great choice for startups and with a small team, so build the product, make it run. If required then do some R&D to switch to go, jumping straight into go should cause some issue.

heavenlyblue 9y ago
Good luck hiring actual software engineers and not the ones who just managed to get into IT during the SEO boom. They are probably less expensive than the Py ones, but they probably don't have much of a future either.
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- cweagans 9y ago
  Still parroting that old trope, huh? The quality of an engineer is rarely dictated by their tools. You can be an excellent engineer with a shitty language, or you can be a terrible engineer with a great language. I'll be the first to admit that PHP certainly has it's share of really bad developers, but what language doesn't?
  - heavenlyblue 9y ago
    It is an old trope - I completely understand your point, but the fact is: wherever you're professionally going, PHP is <probably> not the language you'd like to use anyway. So why use it? I could see how doing FORTRAN for a banking institution is a good way to make money; but PHP doesn't even have that. Most of my closer friends with a Computer Science degree would probably try to stay away from PHP: neither does it pay better than other languages, and most of the companies that have chosen to work with PHP <probably> don't seem to be that appealing either. Is that an old trope? Well, I am parroting the industry: I had worked with PHP and I had realised that none of the cool people with money would do PHP anymore. It literally is similar to not using git in 2017 - if you're still doing PHP, then you're probably a dying business or a really bad software house.
    - cweagans 9y ago
      > wherever you're professionally going, PHP is <probably> not the language you'd like to use anyway. So why use it? Unless you're doing web development. Outside of the HN bubble, there's still a very active segment of the software industry that uses PHP. Yeah, it's not a "cool" language or whatever, but experienced PHP developers can churn out solid work very quickly. I made pretty good money as a PHP developer for a lot of years - you would not believe the places that this language gets used (and in what ways). "Dying business" is definitely not how I'd describe my past employers.

heavenlyblue 9y ago

Good luck hiring actual software engineers and not the ones who just managed to get into IT during the SEO boom. They are probably less expensive than the Py ones, but they probably don't have much of a future either.

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cweagans 9y ago
Still parroting that old trope, huh? The quality of an engineer is rarely dictated by their tools. You can be an excellent engineer with a shitty language, or you can be a terrible engineer with a great language. I'll be the first to admit that PHP certainly has it's share of really bad developers, but what language doesn't?
- heavenlyblue 9y ago
  It is an old trope - I completely understand your point, but the fact is: wherever you're professionally going, PHP is <probably> not the language you'd like to use anyway. So why use it? I could see how doing FORTRAN for a banking institution is a good way to make money; but PHP doesn't even have that. Most of my closer friends with a Computer Science degree would probably try to stay away from PHP: neither does it pay better than other languages, and most of the companies that have chosen to work with PHP <probably> don't seem to be that appealing either. Is that an old trope? Well, I am parroting the industry: I had worked with PHP and I had realised that none of the cool people with money would do PHP anymore. It literally is similar to not using git in 2017 - if you're still doing PHP, then you're probably a dying business or a really bad software house.
  - cweagans 9y ago
    > wherever you're professionally going, PHP is <probably> not the language you'd like to use anyway. So why use it? Unless you're doing web development. Outside of the HN bubble, there's still a very active segment of the software industry that uses PHP. Yeah, it's not a "cool" language or whatever, but experienced PHP developers can churn out solid work very quickly. I made pretty good money as a PHP developer for a lot of years - you would not believe the places that this language gets used (and in what ways). "Dying business" is definitely not how I'd describe my past employers.