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Each time the JFK assassination comes up, reading the comments gives me the feeling that HN is pro lone gunman theory. That strikes me as odd given the amount

by srge 9y ago

Each time the JFK assassination comes up, reading the comments gives me the feeling that HN is pro lone gunman theory. That strikes me as odd given the amount of circumstancial evidences pointing in the conspiracy direction. Also the lone gunman who kills single handily the president of the most powerful nation in the world: - would not admit it (why not if he is a crazy guy killing for political reasons?) - and is killed right after by a mafia linked guy This guy is executed right after being questioned by the police and denying any role in the assassination and pretending he’s a patsy. And it’s not a conspiracy?

olavk 9y ago
There is a lot of weird circumstances, but given the available evidence I still think the lone gunman theory is the most plausible. You say "the lone gunman who kills single handily the president of the most powerful nation in the world" - it is like an act of such magnitude must have a bigger and deeper explanation than just a half-crazy guy with a gun and unclear motives. But if you have a clear line of sight it is not harder to kill the president of the most powerful nation in the nation of the world, than it is to kill any other random person on the street. And you don't really need a better motive to it either. And it is not weird to deny a crime when apprehended. Certainly the Ruby assassination was weird and unfortunate, but how does it actually point to a conspiracy? It seems rather random.
- GeorgeTirebiter 9y ago
  Hi, there is simply no way Oswald killed JFK. And the Ruby assassination of LHO was not random at all. The fiction made up by George HW Bush and co (CIA) was necessary to cover-up the extent of the coup that had just taken place. There is so much credible evidence. You must also ask yourself: why, after all these years, is a substantial quantity of government info still secret? So secret that 'swamp drainer' Trump won't declassify it? Have you read Carl Oglesby's book "The Yankee and Cowboy War"? Incredible page-turner! https://archive.org/details/OglesbyCarlTheYankeeAndCowboyWar https://archive.org/details/OglesbyCarlTheYankeeAndCowboyWar . And finally I don't vouch for everything in the following film, only that he encourages you to look up the facts for yourself. https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM p.s. I was in grade school when the USA had its coup, and I remember very clearly how it was presented to the public back then.
  - croon 9y ago
    I won't get into the other stuff, but: > You must also ask yourself: why, after all these years, is a substantial quantity of government info still secret? So secret that 'swamp drainer' Trump won't declassify it? 1) Because he's not a swamp drainer, he's a swamp monster. 2) He didn't declassify these documents, time did. 3) Because the vast majority of intelligence data is secret (for a substantial amount of time), regardless of motive.
    - GeorgeTirebiter 9y ago
      4) Because it implicates George HW Bush and/or other people still alive in the conspiracy. 5) The fact that the Warren Commission Report was a fabrication would be clear to everyone. 6) Some other illegal government action would be exposed, like the Bay of Pigs, or the Gulf of Tonkin 'attack', the 'Lusitania is not carrying arms for England', and/or other government lies. 7) < you get the idea > ---- I find the small-minded among us (who down-vote when they do not like what is said) should really re-read HN Rules. Thank you. I suspect the downvote is from a politician who is vested in having the "LHO killed JFK" inaccurate meme continue to proliferate. Fess up! ;-)
- rando444 9y ago
  It's always good to use Occam's razor, but it works both ways. Even a cursory glance of the single bullet theory doesn't pass a sniff test. (a single bullet that bounces around the bodies of two different people, and comes out in pristine condition.) Regarding how Jack Ruby points to a conspiracy. Mr. Ruby said it himself. [0] If you'd like to challenge your theories and add to your known evidence, I'd recommend the documentary series "The men who killed Kennedy". It was done by the History Channel back when the History channel was focused on history and is full of first hand accounts from people involved at the time. I believe parts 7,8,9 are not allowed to be sold anymore due to a lawsuit filed by LBJ's estate, but they are still available on youtube. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2eucWXqjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2eucWXqjg

by srge 9y ago

olavk 9y ago

There is a lot of weird circumstances, but given the available evidence I still think the lone gunman theory is the most plausible. You say "the lone gunman who kills single handily the president of the most powerful nation in the world" - it is like an act of such magnitude must have a bigger and deeper explanation than just a half-crazy guy with a gun and unclear motives. But if you have a clear line of sight it is not harder to kill the president of the most powerful nation in the nation of the world, than it is to kill any other random person on the street. And you don't really need a better motive to it either. And it is not weird to deny a crime when apprehended. Certainly the Ruby assassination was weird and unfortunate, but how does it actually point to a conspiracy? It seems rather random.

GeorgeTirebiter 9y ago
Hi, there is simply no way Oswald killed JFK. And the Ruby assassination of LHO was not random at all. The fiction made up by George HW Bush and co (CIA) was necessary to cover-up the extent of the coup that had just taken place. There is so much credible evidence. You must also ask yourself: why, after all these years, is a substantial quantity of government info still secret? So secret that 'swamp drainer' Trump won't declassify it? Have you read Carl Oglesby's book "The Yankee and Cowboy War"? Incredible page-turner! https://archive.org/details/OglesbyCarlTheYankeeAndCowboyWar https://archive.org/details/OglesbyCarlTheYankeeAndCowboyWar . And finally I don't vouch for everything in the following film, only that he encourages you to look up the facts for yourself. https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM p.s. I was in grade school when the USA had its coup, and I remember very clearly how it was presented to the public back then.
- croon 9y ago
  I won't get into the other stuff, but: > You must also ask yourself: why, after all these years, is a substantial quantity of government info still secret? So secret that 'swamp drainer' Trump won't declassify it? 1) Because he's not a swamp drainer, he's a swamp monster. 2) He didn't declassify these documents, time did. 3) Because the vast majority of intelligence data is secret (for a substantial amount of time), regardless of motive.
  - GeorgeTirebiter 9y ago
    4) Because it implicates George HW Bush and/or other people still alive in the conspiracy. 5) The fact that the Warren Commission Report was a fabrication would be clear to everyone. 6) Some other illegal government action would be exposed, like the Bay of Pigs, or the Gulf of Tonkin 'attack', the 'Lusitania is not carrying arms for England', and/or other government lies. 7) < you get the idea > ---- I find the small-minded among us (who down-vote when they do not like what is said) should really re-read HN Rules. Thank you. I suspect the downvote is from a politician who is vested in having the "LHO killed JFK" inaccurate meme continue to proliferate. Fess up! ;-)
rando444 9y ago
It's always good to use Occam's razor, but it works both ways. Even a cursory glance of the single bullet theory doesn't pass a sniff test. (a single bullet that bounces around the bodies of two different people, and comes out in pristine condition.) Regarding how Jack Ruby points to a conspiracy. Mr. Ruby said it himself. [0] If you'd like to challenge your theories and add to your known evidence, I'd recommend the documentary series "The men who killed Kennedy". It was done by the History Channel back when the History channel was focused on history and is full of first hand accounts from people involved at the time. I believe parts 7,8,9 are not allowed to be sold anymore due to a lawsuit filed by LBJ's estate, but they are still available on youtube. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2eucWXqjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2eucWXqjg