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If you don’t want to engage with the community, then don’t. But if you do it behooves you to behave in a manner that respects your users and the community. Doin

If you don’t want to engage with the community, then don’t. But if you do it behooves you to behave in a manner that respects your users and the community. Doing otherwise is how you lose that community. It’s not “entitlement” to expect the Homebrew maintainers to be good stewards of the project and the community.

kelnos 9y ago
Sure it is. It's entitlement to expect literally anything for free. You and I, personally, have not done anything to deserve Homebrew, and yet we have it (well, ok, you do; I haven't run macOS in a few years, so I haven't had need of it). It's a net good, and we, personally, did not have to do anything for it to come into being. I'm not saying you should revere and prostrate yourselves before the people who gave it to you, but you should also not expect any more from them. You should also give them the benefit of the doubt and cut them a bit of slack when they don't behave exactly as you'd think that you would. (I say "think" because it's all well and good to take the moral high ground in theory, but unless you're actually in that person's shoes, it's hard to speak in absolutes.) I've said this elsewhere, but: perhaps you hit the edges of a long drawn-out discussion that took place out of your sight, a discussion that was tiring and draining, and he just didn't feel like rehashing for you. Or maybe he simply just got out of an argument with a friend or family member, or just had a bad day. That may not excuse his behavior in polite society, but it makes it understandable. You had a one-off bad interaction with someone. Boo hoo. It happens. Give people the benefit of the doubt, and, unless you have very strong evidence to the contrary, assume your experience was an unfortunate outlier. Homebrew is obviously a successful, robust project, with lots of contributors, so maybe, just maybe, your negative experience isn't typical, and perhaps most people who he interacts with actually come away with a positive impression. We can't all always have our best faces on, 100% of the time. Generalizing your single interaction as the norm is arrogant, ignorant, and selfish. Apply the principle of charity, and move on. If a person/community is truly toxic, then that needs to be addressed, but you seem to be assuming that your single bad experience is the norm, without taking the time to actually do any research... and feel the need to repeatedly trash-talk here for some reason. If you met this guy in person and said "hey, I had a bad experience interacting with you online", and he didn't talk it out and apologize, then that would speak poorly for his character. But you have one tiny insignificant data point to go on, and I think it's incredibly disheartening that you've chosen to take that as representative to such a vehement degree.

kelnos 9y ago

Sure it is. It's entitlement to expect literally anything for free. You and I, personally, have not done anything to deserve Homebrew, and yet we have it (well, ok, you do; I haven't run macOS in a few years, so I haven't had need of it). It's a net good, and we, personally, did not have to do anything for it to come into being. I'm not saying you should revere and prostrate yourselves before the people who gave it to you, but you should also not expect any more from them. You should also give them the benefit of the doubt and cut them a bit of slack when they don't behave exactly as you'd think that you would. (I say "think" because it's all well and good to take the moral high ground in theory, but unless you're actually in that person's shoes, it's hard to speak in absolutes.) I've said this elsewhere, but: perhaps you hit the edges of a long drawn-out discussion that took place out of your sight, a discussion that was tiring and draining, and he just didn't feel like rehashing for you. Or maybe he simply just got out of an argument with a friend or family member, or just had a bad day. That may not excuse his behavior in polite society, but it makes it understandable. You had a one-off bad interaction with someone. Boo hoo. It happens. Give people the benefit of the doubt, and, unless you have very strong evidence to the contrary, assume your experience was an unfortunate outlier. Homebrew is obviously a successful, robust project, with lots of contributors, so maybe, just maybe, your negative experience isn't typical, and perhaps most people who he interacts with actually come away with a positive impression. We can't all always have our best faces on, 100% of the time. Generalizing your single interaction as the norm is arrogant, ignorant, and selfish. Apply the principle of charity, and move on. If a person/community is truly toxic, then that needs to be addressed, but you seem to be assuming that your single bad experience is the norm, without taking the time to actually do any research... and feel the need to repeatedly trash-talk here for some reason. If you met this guy in person and said "hey, I had a bad experience interacting with you online", and he didn't talk it out and apologize, then that would speak poorly for his character. But you have one tiny insignificant data point to go on, and I think it's incredibly disheartening that you've chosen to take that as representative to such a vehement degree.