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Oh come on, why can't we just have fun? The site already has a "no nudity allowed" policy and a per-stream "mature audiences only" warning screen.

by apk-d 9y ago

noobermin 9y ago
I think the idea is people who don't have the same sex appeal feel they are finding it hard to compete. Also, they feel it is "changing" the feel of the site. Not saying I agree, that's what it sounds like to me.
- Akujin 9y ago
  This was part of Twitch from the very beginning. The idea that it's "new" is really just ignorant people finding out after the fact and then complaining about it as if it wasn't always there.
  - noobermin 9y ago
    I don't think it's a "there exists" argument, it's more that a significant fraction is now devoted to it.
- apk-d 9y ago
  It's easy to be salty when you're an unappreciated streamer and there's girls out there having an easier time with less effort. However, they're even not competing for the same audience. As to the second thing, it's a valid point, but there are solutions that don't resort to removing streams.
  - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
    >However, they're even not competing for the same audience. I don't think that's exactly accurate. Presumably the major audience for both types of streamers is young boys/men.
    - apk-d 9y ago
      You have broadened the category widely enough to include both audiences. Given that guys typically watch gaming streams and undressed females for different reasons, I think there's finer distinctions in terms of which the audiences don't overlap.
      - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
        Like what? What viewer distinction is there?
      - noobermin 9y ago
        Here's a thought experiment, imagine you are a young male looking for random streams because you're bored. You see a) one stream with speed runs done by a female streamer who is not scantily clad but actually has a lot of skill and is trying to garner views by being a good gamer. Then, there is a b) 23 year old female streamer who isn't really playing games but is merely doing stretches in yoga tights. What will you probably click first? When talking about aggregate, the small delta counts. This swings those uncommitted to looking for sexual content as well as attracting those purely looking for sexual content. To be fair, there are more hardcore sexual content out there that is just as free, so why would the population just looking for soft porn go to Twitch to do it? It sounds more to me like they are competing more than just having different audiences. EDIT: and more importantly, these sexual streamer are taking advantage of it, while avoiding other sites devoted to sexual content where competition would be harder for them.
- ryandrake 9y ago
  Wasn't there a thread on here a while back about a lady who was doing tech/nerdy 3D printing and maker videos, taking tons of criticism simply because she happened to be good looking while doing them? This seems like an oddly similar mind-set: You can't do game videos because you're sexy. What??
  - tree_of_item 9y ago
    No, not because she "happened to be good looking", because she does many videos half naked. You cannot even link to her Twitter or Youtube without a [NSFW] tag. Why do you feel the need to use such a disingenuous framing? The Twitch streamers in question are also creating what amounts to softcore pornography. They aren't making game videos, they are just using Twitch as an alternative to other adult camsites. That's the whole problem.
    - lwkl 9y ago
      Yesterday someone linked me such a stream and it was just a pretty girl with a deep cut shirt. Didn't look like porn to me and she wasn't really entertaining. It's more like the people want to satisfy their fantasies and buy the attention of a pretty girl. Clearly in a non sexual way otherwise they would turn to cam girl sites. Is this bad? I don't know but I don't have a problem with it. I feel like it's sad that people feel like they have to buy the attention of another person. But this happens with male streamers too. I watched a guy in the IRL section since I wanted to see what the guys stream and he was letting people insult him for money. It was really strange to watch. I don't understand alot on twitch. But I don't see the pornography on it either.
      - tree_of_item 9y ago
        Okay, so you didn't see one of the streams I'm talking about. Try one of the streams that promises to do "squats" or some other sexually suggestive activity whenever someone donates.
hyperhopper 9y ago
That would be fine, but there problem is the rules are not universally ignored, only for these types of streamers. Lots of guys with a small webcam view of them with no shirt on have been banned for sexual content. Either apply the rules when it makes sense, or not at all.

Oh come on, why can't we just have fun? The site already has a "no nudity allowed" policy and a per-stream "mature audiences only" warning screen.

by apk-d 9y ago

Oh come on, why can't we just have fun? The site already has a "no nudity allowed" policy and a per-stream "mature audiences only" warning screen.

noobermin 9y ago

I think the idea is people who don't have the same sex appeal feel they are finding it hard to compete. Also, they feel it is "changing" the feel of the site. Not saying I agree, that's what it sounds like to me.

Akujin 9y ago
This was part of Twitch from the very beginning. The idea that it's "new" is really just ignorant people finding out after the fact and then complaining about it as if it wasn't always there.
- noobermin 9y ago
  I don't think it's a "there exists" argument, it's more that a significant fraction is now devoted to it.
apk-d 9y ago
It's easy to be salty when you're an unappreciated streamer and there's girls out there having an easier time with less effort. However, they're even not competing for the same audience. As to the second thing, it's a valid point, but there are solutions that don't resort to removing streams.
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
  >However, they're even not competing for the same audience. I don't think that's exactly accurate. Presumably the major audience for both types of streamers is young boys/men.
  - apk-d 9y ago
    You have broadened the category widely enough to include both audiences. Given that guys typically watch gaming streams and undressed females for different reasons, I think there's finer distinctions in terms of which the audiences don't overlap.
    - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
      Like what? What viewer distinction is there?
    - noobermin 9y ago
      Here's a thought experiment, imagine you are a young male looking for random streams because you're bored. You see a) one stream with speed runs done by a female streamer who is not scantily clad but actually has a lot of skill and is trying to garner views by being a good gamer. Then, there is a b) 23 year old female streamer who isn't really playing games but is merely doing stretches in yoga tights. What will you probably click first? When talking about aggregate, the small delta counts. This swings those uncommitted to looking for sexual content as well as attracting those purely looking for sexual content. To be fair, there are more hardcore sexual content out there that is just as free, so why would the population just looking for soft porn go to Twitch to do it? It sounds more to me like they are competing more than just having different audiences. EDIT: and more importantly, these sexual streamer are taking advantage of it, while avoiding other sites devoted to sexual content where competition would be harder for them.
ryandrake 9y ago
Wasn't there a thread on here a while back about a lady who was doing tech/nerdy 3D printing and maker videos, taking tons of criticism simply because she happened to be good looking while doing them? This seems like an oddly similar mind-set: You can't do game videos because you're sexy. What??
- tree_of_item 9y ago
  No, not because she "happened to be good looking", because she does many videos half naked. You cannot even link to her Twitter or Youtube without a [NSFW] tag. Why do you feel the need to use such a disingenuous framing? The Twitch streamers in question are also creating what amounts to softcore pornography. They aren't making game videos, they are just using Twitch as an alternative to other adult camsites. That's the whole problem.
  - lwkl 9y ago
    Yesterday someone linked me such a stream and it was just a pretty girl with a deep cut shirt. Didn't look like porn to me and she wasn't really entertaining. It's more like the people want to satisfy their fantasies and buy the attention of a pretty girl. Clearly in a non sexual way otherwise they would turn to cam girl sites. Is this bad? I don't know but I don't have a problem with it. I feel like it's sad that people feel like they have to buy the attention of another person. But this happens with male streamers too. I watched a guy in the IRL section since I wanted to see what the guys stream and he was letting people insult him for money. It was really strange to watch. I don't understand alot on twitch. But I don't see the pornography on it either.
    - tree_of_item 9y ago
      Okay, so you didn't see one of the streams I'm talking about. Try one of the streams that promises to do "squats" or some other sexually suggestive activity whenever someone donates.

hyperhopper 9y ago

That would be fine, but there problem is the rules are not universally ignored, only for these types of streamers. Lots of guys with a small webcam view of them with no shirt on have been banned for sexual content. Either apply the rules when it makes sense, or not at all.