11 ms·
The Patreon page says they receive $177 per month. That's too low for a project with such a high popularity and usage. I read somewhere ( and I bet ) it's used
by drinchev 9y ago
The Patreon page says they receive $177 per month. That's too low for a project with such a high popularity and usage.
I read somewhere ( and I bet ) it's used by Google / Facebook / Apple employees.
- blackRust 9y agoIf you look into the OS version analytics, there are 397 events registered from "macOS (10.14)". That's the next version of macOS :) https://brew.sh/analytics/os-version/ https://brew.sh/analytics/os-version/
- avprpl 9y agonice catch!
- spiralganglion 9y agoMy immediate thought is that this is spoofed. I doubt anyone at Apple would be silly enough to allow software on an unannounced OS to freely send out analytic data. I expect they'd have some sort of filtering applied either right on their dev/test machines (something like Little Snitch, though surely built in-house) or at the network level.
- bradgessler 9y agoI also doubt they’d ever release a security vulnerability where a user can enter a blank password to gain root access to macOS. :-P
- reaperducer 9y ago> I doubt anyone at Apple would be silly enough to allow software on an unannounced OS to freely send out analytic data ...and you'd be wrong. It is very common for Apple to test its new browser versions on the public internet and for those version numbers to show up in the logs of popular Apple web sites. It's one of the ways that Think Secret could confirm that a new version was on the way.
- philwelch 9y agoBesides, what does a version number reveal? “Oh, Apple is working on a new OS version!” You don’t say??
- 0x0 9y agoCertainly not much if anything at all, but it's mildly interesting to note that it identifies as 10.14 and not, say, 11.0. Anyways there is surely something strange brewing for the next macOS, as Apple has repeatedly noted that "macOS High Sierra will be the last macOS release to support 32-bit apps without compromise", without specifying what kind of "compromise" might come up (see https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=06282017a https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=06282017a )
- lewisinc 9y agoI think you might be reading that wrong - should be "Without compromise, macOS will discontinue support for 32-bit apps". The only compromise should be not upgrading to 10.14 and staying on 10.13.
- 0x0 9y agoMaybe. It's an odd phrasing. Why not just say "will not run"? How do you run 32bit apps "WITH compromise"? In a VM window?
- Crontab 9y agoThink Secret? Wow, that takes me back.
- Kpourdeilami 9y agoWhy would they not allow internal software send out analytics data? At this point it is common knowledge that Apple is working on a new version of OS X that will come out next year.
- notyourwork 9y agoYou’ve never worked at a big company like Apple or Facebook have you ?
- WillyOnWheels 9y agoIt's incredibly weird since Apple employees are heavily discouraged from running Homebrew.
- brazzledazzle 9y agoWhy are they discouraged to run Homebrew?
- zbentley 9y agoPerhaps someone deliberately messing with their version string, e.g. testing the software to make sure it handles "unknown" or "future" release cases properly?
- amarsahinovic 9y agoI think this is what you mean: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9695102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9695102
- joeblau 9y agoWelcome to open source software. The site I run has 70,000+ monthly unique visitors; It's used by all of the top tech companies, and brings in about $45 a month in ad revenue. I'm not complaining because the only financial costs are my domain hosting. I chalk up my personal time to an educational investment. I'm sure Homebrew has a significantly higher value, but you've got to weigh the tradeoffs. If Homebrew cost $9.99 a year for access to updates I would pay it, but I know a lot of people would complain.
- drinchev 9y agoIt's really sad. I always thought there are lots of companies, acting like WhatsApp ( $1,000,000 donation to FreeBSD [1] ) and return back value to open source, the same way they got value out of it. I'm really surprised that instead of "lots" I have to write "some". I also think that it's a much bigger win, financially and for P.R., to donate some of the profits, instead of paying the taxes in selected tax-paradise countries. 1: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/49056/ https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/49056/
- reaperducer 9y agoA lot of big companies, even in 2017, don't have a very good in-house process for buying software that isn't available on CDROM from a preferred distributor (CDW, etc...) One place I worked, it was easier to order a new work van for the department than a $30 program because the program could only be downloaded, and not bought in a box.
- mamcx 9y agoSo, how about repackage the app on cds?
- mschuster91 9y agoThe reason is kickbacks. The CxO level gets either direct kickbacks (or, in holding company layouts, the mothership company) or by invitations to golf weekends. So they try to keep people from buying from non-approved (i.e. no kickback agreement) vendors as much as possible, no matter if the company loses on the long term (worker happiness, productivity). Also, keeping records, both financial and stuff like license expiration is easier with one to a dozen suppliers than hundreds. The major enterprise vendors (eg MS, Adobe and Acronis) actually have dedicated enterprise license management solutions, which a tiny shop usually does not.
- the_watcher 9y agoBasically anyone who does any kind of work with code on a Mac is pretty likely to be using Homebrew for something or another.
- mikebenfield 9y agoOr MacPorts.
- jpk 9y agoUntil reading this comment, I didn't know they had a patreon page. As far as I can tell, it's not linked from the front page of brew.sh. It is linked down at the bottom of the README on github though. Anyway, that number would probably be higher if it were advertised more.
- seeekr 9y agoWasn't aware either. +1 supporter.
- jerrre 9y agoNot at all saying that this is happening here, but this made me wonder: would there be fake Patreons accounts? How much verification is done?
- greggman 9y agoPatreon doesnt seem to do much checking of anything. There are patreon users getting money by copying the content of other patreon users and aggrigating it. So far patreon has done nothing. There are also patreon accounts just posting links to torrents and no movement from Patreon
- judge2020 9y agoPatreon attempts to charge new subscribers as soon as they sign up to give to a page, so if a charge bounces back the numbers dont go up. Existing members are removed as soon as their card declines the transaction.
- jerrre 9y agoI'm sorry if i wasn't clear. I meant from the creator's side. How do I know this account is actually from Homebrew.
- cholmon 9y agohttps://www.patreon.com/homebrew https://www.patreon.com/homebrew
- ufmace 9y agoReminds me of one of patio11's posts somewhere. I don't remember which one, but the gist is that big companies basically can't donate to tipjars, patreons, etc. But if you make it a product with an enterprise option for support or something, they'll gladly pay tens of thousands a month.
- cuckcuckspruce 9y agoThis is the almighty power manifest of the purchase order in corporate finance.
- atonse 9y agoYes, exactly! I face this with my government clients. They spend very little time thinking of the actual amount (even if it's $30k), and more time about "how are we going to purchase this??" Tip Jars aren't an effective way to get money for this stuff, at least if you want money from companies. It's good for "aw this library helped me, let me throw in $5" from individuals.
- cyberpunk0 9y agoTip jars and pay what you can are effective. Bs corporate red tape is the problem
- mattdw 9y agoBS corporate red tape is a reality, though. So why not offer workarounds that help them give you money?
- cuckcuckspruce 9y agoAs mentioned above, offer consulting services and accept corporate purchase orders. Be able to give and receive PO numbers. This is the language the bean counters speak, and sprinkles magic pixie dust on your invoices, ensuring you get paid.
- ricardobeat 9y agoThe maintainer works for GitHub, I’m sure he is doing alright.
- mikemcquaid 9y agoI'm the lead (but not only) maintainer and: yeh, I do alright. I've never made or taken a dime from Homebrew directly (indirectly includes it helping me get my last two jobs). There's a bunch of annoying stuff like AWS and Heroku that we can't really afford to use right now (I refuse to pay for Homebrew stuff from my own pocket) and it would be great to have more CI machines. These are the sort of things a Patreon pays for.
- namesbc 9y agoThanks for reminding us all of this. I just supported them.
- efields 9y agoIf there were Enterprise Homebrew that did nothing different but sent me an invoice every month, I could effortlessly expense it for $100s/month.
- tootie 9y agoThere's a Windows equivalent of Homebrew called Chocolatey and they actually have enterpise features available as a buy-up. https://chocolatey.org/pricing https://chocolatey.org/pricing
- mikemcquaid 9y agoAlso, interestingly, there are large companies that we know use our software heavily internally who flat out lie about using Homebrew in any form when we've asked for help with resources. It's a sad state of affairs that smaller companies and individuals are far more generous when it comes to supporting us.
- empath75 9y ago"Self-hosted homebrew" would probably be the magic word that unlocks the enterprise dollars.
- DoubleCribble 9y agoIf the Big Corps aren't going to play your game Please Donate!, you'll need to play theirs Invoice Required!. While there is a small amount of monthly overhead for generating invoices, landing just 1 paid subscription could make the effort worthwhile.
- reificator 9y agoPerhaps the people using it and the people responding to your requests are unaware of each other?
- stormking 9y agoNow 178.
- smnscu 9y agoUp to $304 already, good job guys!
- ShakataGaNai 9y agohttps://www.patreon.com/homebrew https://www.patreon.com/homebrew It's $312 a month now, but that's still super now. We should at least get them to where they can afford a few beers with the monthly groceries.
- deleted 9y ago[deleted]
- NinoScript 9y agoThank you for bringing this to my attention. I’m now a proud patron adding $1/mo. The number went up to $325 per month and I hope it keeps going up!
- giobox 9y ago> I read somewhere ( and I bet ) it's used by Google / Facebook / Apple employees. In fairness, it's used by virtually everyone who has to do anything of significance in software development on a Mac.
- Apylon777 9y agoThanks for this comment. I just added my little bit of support, as did a a couple dozen others.