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Neither runit nor minit were, or are, obsolete; and systemd was around in 2010.

by JdeBP 9y ago

icebraining 9y ago
I mean obsolete as Debian packages. In any case, why do you say it was removed? runit seems to have been present in every version released since 2010. As for systemd, it wasn't as a Debian package, so it's hardly relevant for this discussion. It was only even packaged in 2012.
- JdeBP 9y ago
  That concept of "obsolete as a Debian package" does not really exist, so you are asserting something meaningless. And you brought up the timing of systemd yourself, only to then find that your point was wrong. You have a lot to learn about the rather sad history of runit and daemontools in Debian, as well as about the ways that Debian people decide what is packaged. This is only some of it. * https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runit-run https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runit-run * http://smarden.org/pape/ http://smarden.org/pape/ * https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00059.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00059.html * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/284453/5132 https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/284453/5132 * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766187#78 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766187#78 * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=861536#44 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=861536#44 * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752075#35 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752075#35
  - icebraining 9y ago
    I understand that the ways that Debian developers make their decisions is not to your liking, but I disagree with your presentation of the facts, nor do I care for your passive-aggressive accusations. Runit-init-the software was not removed from Debian. Only runit-init-the-package was removed and that was long before systemd-the-package (which, yes, was what I was referring to) appeared, and it was by a ROM from the author himself, after a bug report classified as RC (justifiably, in my opinion). So I fail to see any changes in behavior by the Debian team, since I don't believe in this conspiracy theory that Debian Developers were finding bugs in other init systems just to push for systemd, despite not even caring enough to package it. Could they be more open to other init systems? Probably. But that was never my question.
    - JdeBP 9y ago
      The presentation of the facts is simple hyperlinking to the actual discussions, to disagree with which is bizarre, to say the least. After propounding a non-existent concept of "obsolete as a Debian package" you are proceeding to propound an equally nonsensical concept of removing runit-run whilst not removing runit-run. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runit-run https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runit-run is really quite clear and unambiguous. And that conspiracy theory is a straw man of your own making, too. As is indeed the commentary on "the ways that Debian developers make their decisions" which are your opinions not anyone else's. You have a lot to learn and you're getting a lot of things quite wrong.

Neither runit nor minit were, or are, obsolete; and systemd was around in 2010.

by JdeBP 9y ago

Neither runit nor minit were, or are, obsolete; and systemd was around in 2010.

I mean obsolete as Debian packages. In any case, why do you say it was removed? runit seems to have been present in every version released since 2010. As for systemd, it wasn't as a Debian package, so it's hardly relevant for this discussion. It was only even packaged in 2012.

JdeBP 9y ago
That concept of "obsolete as a Debian package" does not really exist, so you are asserting something meaningless. And you brought up the timing of systemd yourself, only to then find that your point was wrong. You have a lot to learn about the rather sad history of runit and daemontools in Debian, as well as about the ways that Debian people decide what is packaged. This is only some of it. * https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runit-run https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runit-run * http://smarden.org/pape/ http://smarden.org/pape/ * https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00059.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00059.html * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/284453/5132 https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/284453/5132 * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766187#78 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766187#78 * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=861536#44 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=861536#44 * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752075#35 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752075#35
- icebraining 9y ago
  I understand that the ways that Debian developers make their decisions is not to your liking, but I disagree with your presentation of the facts, nor do I care for your passive-aggressive accusations. Runit-init-the software was not removed from Debian. Only runit-init-the-package was removed and that was long before systemd-the-package (which, yes, was what I was referring to) appeared, and it was by a ROM from the author himself, after a bug report classified as RC (justifiably, in my opinion). So I fail to see any changes in behavior by the Debian team, since I don't believe in this conspiracy theory that Debian Developers were finding bugs in other init systems just to push for systemd, despite not even caring enough to package it. Could they be more open to other init systems? Probably. But that was never my question.
  - JdeBP 9y ago
    The presentation of the facts is simple hyperlinking to the actual discussions, to disagree with which is bizarre, to say the least. After propounding a non-existent concept of "obsolete as a Debian package" you are proceeding to propound an equally nonsensical concept of removing runit-run whilst not removing runit-run. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runit-run https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runit-run is really quite clear and unambiguous. And that conspiracy theory is a straw man of your own making, too. As is indeed the commentary on "the ways that Debian developers make their decisions" which are your opinions not anyone else's. You have a lot to learn and you're getting a lot of things quite wrong.