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I am sure the people who just piss their life away couldn't care less if you call it 'bijstand' or UBI. It's a grand in the bank and they are used to live on i

I am sure the people who just piss their life away couldn't care less if you call it 'bijstand' or UBI. It's a grand in the bank and they are used to live on it ( basically, rent + alcohol ).

hexane360 9y ago
"Here's how it's completely different from UBI" "It doesn't matter what you call it. Gotcha!"
- the-dude 9y ago
  In my top comment I already stated 'it will be a mixed bag'. In the comment you are replying to, I am specifically talking about people who are pissing their life away already. Not sure what your point is.
  - akvadrako 9y ago
    His point is you are missing the most important part of UBI, the "universal" part. This encourages participating in society, unlike means-based welfare.
    - the-dude 9y ago
      I know very well what UBI is, and I am too very sympathetic towards the idea. I just don't think it will work.
dmos62 9y ago
Well you have a poor outlook on people. To backtrack a bit, throwing money at people doesn't work. Look at the failure of post-colonial African aid. More fundamental and intelligent help is required. UBI is not about that. It is about recognising every individual's right to economic freedom. What a person does with that freedom is a better problem than how to be free from wage slavery for example. If a person exhibits destructive behaviour, that's a different problem. Supposing that people will partake in destructive behaviour given more freedom implies that you think that people _naturally_ have destructive tendencies. UBI is based on the opposite asumption.
- the-dude 9y ago
  You assume all kind of stuff, including about me. You know assumption is the mother of all fuckups?
  - loa_in_ 9y ago
    Assumption among being mother of all spectacular fuckups is also a very fundamental concept and is required to form any kinds of predictions of future, which are in turn required for any form of planning. And planning is important.

I am sure the people who just piss their life away couldn't care less if you call it 'bijstand' or UBI. It's a grand in the bank and they are used to live on it ( basically, rent + alcohol ).

hexane360 9y ago

"Here's how it's completely different from UBI" "It doesn't matter what you call it. Gotcha!"

the-dude 9y ago
In my top comment I already stated 'it will be a mixed bag'. In the comment you are replying to, I am specifically talking about people who are pissing their life away already. Not sure what your point is.
- akvadrako 9y ago
  His point is you are missing the most important part of UBI, the "universal" part. This encourages participating in society, unlike means-based welfare.
  - the-dude 9y ago
    I know very well what UBI is, and I am too very sympathetic towards the idea. I just don't think it will work.

dmos62 9y ago

Well you have a poor outlook on people. To backtrack a bit, throwing money at people doesn't work. Look at the failure of post-colonial African aid. More fundamental and intelligent help is required. UBI is not about that. It is about recognising every individual's right to economic freedom. What a person does with that freedom is a better problem than how to be free from wage slavery for example. If a person exhibits destructive behaviour, that's a different problem. Supposing that people will partake in destructive behaviour given more freedom implies that you think that people _naturally_ have destructive tendencies. UBI is based on the opposite asumption.

the-dude 9y ago
You assume all kind of stuff, including about me. You know assumption is the mother of all fuckups?
- loa_in_ 9y ago
  Assumption among being mother of all spectacular fuckups is also a very fundamental concept and is required to form any kinds of predictions of future, which are in turn required for any form of planning. And planning is important.