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Let me be a Certified Finance Asshat to demonstrate that you are externalizing money: I will give you $35k/year for 40 hours a week total compensation and you

Let me be a Certified Finance Asshat to demonstrate that you are externalizing money: I will give you $35k/year for 40 hours a week total compensation and you get all the other 4. Why aren't you taking this job? The reason is because you know that it is a laughable salary. FRC has an agenda. Its agenda is convince naive people to go work for their startups ( and other startups ) for Magic and Unicorns, rather than $$. P.S. Thanks for downvotes!

BeetleB 9y ago
You're being downvoted because you ignored this: >Money is important, but past a certain point (when you are able to live comfortably and are no longer feeling stressed about your personal/family finances), other factors come into play. It's difficult to counter his comment when you don't address it and give an obviously low salary.
- notyourday 9y ago
  Whenever one needs to quantify using unquantifiable words like "important but past a certain point" it is helpful to solve that point at the limit. Pacifists, for example, will refuse to kill someone who is pointing a gun at their family because of their, in my not humble opinion, stupid beliefs. I may think their beliefs are stupid but I cannot say that they themselves are full of crap because, after all, they live their beliefs. The people who are making claims that money is not the only mandatory thing and everything else is optional nice to have thing(s) tend to weasel out of the lets solve for money being zero ( or minimum wage ). Unfortunately, while pacifists do not disrupt my life (when their world collides with reality, they die and their ideas die with them ) the people who are claiming that conferences are more important than $$ disrupt my market. This means that my goal is to illustrate as much as possible how silly their positions are.
  - BeetleB 9y ago
    >The people who are making claims that money is not the only mandatory thing and everything else is optional nice to have thing(s) tend to weasel out of the lets solve for money being zero ( or minimum wage ). Except it wasn't his claim. The claim is pretty well known: Below a certain threshold, money is the most important thing. Above it, it is not. This is very different from the extreme pacifist mindset. The equivalent would be: "There are certain circumstances where it is important to kill another. Outside of those circumstances, it should not be the primary means." As an aside: Telling people what is important to them and ignoring their own claims on what is important to them will not make you many friends.
    - notyourday 9y ago
      > The claim is pretty well known: Below a certain threshold, money is the most important thing. Above it, it is not. This is very different from the extreme pacifist mindset. The equivalent would be: "There are certain circumstances where it is important to kill another. Outside of those circumstances, it should not be the primary means." The claim is horse manure which is why it includes no numbers for the threshold. My number matched his claim. Except that the claim is not what was meant. What was meant is "if I'm compensated well into six figures then the other things matter more than incremental dollar". The article is describing how to peddle low salaries + magic pixie dust as a way to swindle the candidates to accept non-competitive offers. > Telling people what is important to them and ignoring their own claims on what is important to them will not make you many friends. That's ok. I do not need many friends. Especially if I have to accept as friends those that claim 'oh, it is excellent' when in reality they mean something else.
      - BeetleB 9y ago
        >The claim is horse manure which is why it includes no numbers for the threshold. Attribution of intention is a common step towards the breakdown of dialogue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_bias#Types https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_bias#Types >That's ok. I do not need many friends. OK, perhaps I was too narrow in my statement. Let me rephrase: Telling people what is important to them and ignoring their own claims on what is important to them will not get you fruitful conversations. Which is likely why people are downvoting you instead of replying to you. You are giving strong signals of poor communications, and people are not finding it worthwhile to engage with you.
        notyourday 9y ago
        Well, based on the + of the post, it seems not to be the case. Also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes
      - FreakLegion 9y ago
        > The claim is horse manure which is why it includes no numbers for the threshold. There's no absolute threshold. It's relative. I recently left one job for another that paid less than half as much. Things is, both were well into six figures, so the difference doesn't mean much to me. Still, if the old job had paid into seven figures instead of "just" six, I wouldn't have left. It was a boring, easy job, but not intolerable. At seven figures, I would've ridden that horse into the ground.
- Spooky23 9y ago
  People do stuff like offer lowball offers that aren't livable. Back in 2000, I got exposed to this out of school-- VP of whatever offers me $27k (with a salary review in 6 months) to be a DBA. "I got up and said 'thanks'". He followed me out to the parking lot and doubled the offer. At the end of the day, money matters, and all of the bullshit about "other factors" are just brought into the mix because fringe benefits are cheaper than cash. For me, a good working environment is the ante. If you're an asshole, you don't make the cut. The rest is all about compensation. If you commit to giving me premium health insurance, I'll accept a discount in pay. If you commit to giving me more vacation time, I'll accept a discount in pay. I can play ping pong at the gym for free and my Dr. Pepper habit costs me about $10/week. If you're not an asshole, expect me to take <=10 days of PTO, have a $10k healthcare deductible, you'd best be paying a 50-70% premium to what I'm making today, as I'm going to have to hire minions to do shit for me.
  - BeetleB 9y ago
    >People do stuff like offer lowball offers that aren't livable. Which is not disputed by anyone in this thread. Why do we keep bringing it up? >At the end of the day, money matters, and all of the bullshit about "other factors" are just brought into the mix because fringe benefits are cheaper than cash. For me, a good working environment is the ante. If you're an asshole, you don't make the cut. The rest is all about compensation. You do realize you just admitted there is something you care about more than compensation?
    - Spooky23 9y ago
      Think about procurement. Even a pure commodity has to meet minimum standards. If you’re buying eggs at the supermarket, they need to be of uniform size and not be spoiled, for example. Other than that, they’re a pure commodity.

BeetleB 9y ago

You're being downvoted because you ignored this: >Money is important, but past a certain point (when you are able to live comfortably and are no longer feeling stressed about your personal/family finances), other factors come into play. It's difficult to counter his comment when you don't address it and give an obviously low salary.

notyourday 9y ago
Whenever one needs to quantify using unquantifiable words like "important but past a certain point" it is helpful to solve that point at the limit. Pacifists, for example, will refuse to kill someone who is pointing a gun at their family because of their, in my not humble opinion, stupid beliefs. I may think their beliefs are stupid but I cannot say that they themselves are full of crap because, after all, they live their beliefs. The people who are making claims that money is not the only mandatory thing and everything else is optional nice to have thing(s) tend to weasel out of the lets solve for money being zero ( or minimum wage ). Unfortunately, while pacifists do not disrupt my life (when their world collides with reality, they die and their ideas die with them ) the people who are claiming that conferences are more important than $$ disrupt my market. This means that my goal is to illustrate as much as possible how silly their positions are.
- BeetleB 9y ago
  >The people who are making claims that money is not the only mandatory thing and everything else is optional nice to have thing(s) tend to weasel out of the lets solve for money being zero ( or minimum wage ). Except it wasn't his claim. The claim is pretty well known: Below a certain threshold, money is the most important thing. Above it, it is not. This is very different from the extreme pacifist mindset. The equivalent would be: "There are certain circumstances where it is important to kill another. Outside of those circumstances, it should not be the primary means." As an aside: Telling people what is important to them and ignoring their own claims on what is important to them will not make you many friends.
  - notyourday 9y ago
    > The claim is pretty well known: Below a certain threshold, money is the most important thing. Above it, it is not. This is very different from the extreme pacifist mindset. The equivalent would be: "There are certain circumstances where it is important to kill another. Outside of those circumstances, it should not be the primary means." The claim is horse manure which is why it includes no numbers for the threshold. My number matched his claim. Except that the claim is not what was meant. What was meant is "if I'm compensated well into six figures then the other things matter more than incremental dollar". The article is describing how to peddle low salaries + magic pixie dust as a way to swindle the candidates to accept non-competitive offers. > Telling people what is important to them and ignoring their own claims on what is important to them will not make you many friends. That's ok. I do not need many friends. Especially if I have to accept as friends those that claim 'oh, it is excellent' when in reality they mean something else.
    - BeetleB 9y ago
      >The claim is horse manure which is why it includes no numbers for the threshold. Attribution of intention is a common step towards the breakdown of dialogue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_bias#Types https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_bias#Types >That's ok. I do not need many friends. OK, perhaps I was too narrow in my statement. Let me rephrase: Telling people what is important to them and ignoring their own claims on what is important to them will not get you fruitful conversations. Which is likely why people are downvoting you instead of replying to you. You are giving strong signals of poor communications, and people are not finding it worthwhile to engage with you.
      - notyourday 9y ago
        Well, based on the + of the post, it seems not to be the case. Also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes
    - FreakLegion 9y ago
      > The claim is horse manure which is why it includes no numbers for the threshold. There's no absolute threshold. It's relative. I recently left one job for another that paid less than half as much. Things is, both were well into six figures, so the difference doesn't mean much to me. Still, if the old job had paid into seven figures instead of "just" six, I wouldn't have left. It was a boring, easy job, but not intolerable. At seven figures, I would've ridden that horse into the ground.
Spooky23 9y ago
People do stuff like offer lowball offers that aren't livable. Back in 2000, I got exposed to this out of school-- VP of whatever offers me $27k (with a salary review in 6 months) to be a DBA. "I got up and said 'thanks'". He followed me out to the parking lot and doubled the offer. At the end of the day, money matters, and all of the bullshit about "other factors" are just brought into the mix because fringe benefits are cheaper than cash. For me, a good working environment is the ante. If you're an asshole, you don't make the cut. The rest is all about compensation. If you commit to giving me premium health insurance, I'll accept a discount in pay. If you commit to giving me more vacation time, I'll accept a discount in pay. I can play ping pong at the gym for free and my Dr. Pepper habit costs me about $10/week. If you're not an asshole, expect me to take <=10 days of PTO, have a $10k healthcare deductible, you'd best be paying a 50-70% premium to what I'm making today, as I'm going to have to hire minions to do shit for me.
- BeetleB 9y ago
  >People do stuff like offer lowball offers that aren't livable. Which is not disputed by anyone in this thread. Why do we keep bringing it up? >At the end of the day, money matters, and all of the bullshit about "other factors" are just brought into the mix because fringe benefits are cheaper than cash. For me, a good working environment is the ante. If you're an asshole, you don't make the cut. The rest is all about compensation. You do realize you just admitted there is something you care about more than compensation?
  - Spooky23 9y ago
    Think about procurement. Even a pure commodity has to meet minimum standards. If you’re buying eggs at the supermarket, they need to be of uniform size and not be spoiled, for example. Other than that, they’re a pure commodity.