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And where is the money from a "meat tax" supposed to go? And will money actually do anything useful?

candiodari 9y ago
As if money actually spent on environmental purposes does anything useful for the environment. Recycling programs, as it "turns out" (as if there were people not already aware of this) put most recycled stuff in landfills in China. So don't worry. Whether the money goes to "something useful" or not. It won't actually be useful.
- petre 9y ago
  Not any more. China isn't buying any more plastic. Well, it is still buying it but has set standards that are nearly imposiible to meet.
  - candiodari 9y ago
    Well, no. If recycling programs were actually involving the government checking if the stuff in there was actually recyclable then there would be no problem whatsever meeting those standards. That is, apparently, not part of those recycling programs. Turns out the only recycling that was ever done was making great stickers (from oil, of course, you can't make this up). And of course, the government hiring external companies (no doubt owned by "the right people"), who weren't expected to do anything. Nobody wants to check, nobody does check, and I keep hearing it isn't even kept separate.
- matt4077 9y ago
  Don't spread conspiracies without proof. Here is, for example, a nice chart showing recycling quotas of >80% for most types of waste: https://www.alba.info/fileadmin/alba/pressemappe/kreislaufwirtschaft_deutschland/10_VerwertungHauptabfallstro__me_032017_E.pdf https://www.alba.info/fileadmin/alba/pressemappe/kreislaufwi... Yeah, that's not the US, which you were probably talking about. But it's proof that it's possible.
  - candiodari 9y ago
    Since "recycled" clearly means "shipped to a landfill in China" rather than "re-used", those recycling quotas only mean that we waste extra oil shipping the waste around, and none of it is actually recycled ...
falsedan 9y ago
From the article: > Using meat tax revenues to subsidise healthy foods is one idea touted to reduce opposition.
paulmd 9y ago
All government revenue is fungible, so this doesn't matter in the slightest.

As if money actually spent on environmental purposes does anything useful for the environment. Recycling programs, as it "turns out" (as if there were people not already aware of this) put most recycled stuff in landfills in China. So don't worry. Whether the money goes to "something useful" or not. It won't actually be useful.

petre 9y ago
Not any more. China isn't buying any more plastic. Well, it is still buying it but has set standards that are nearly imposiible to meet.
- candiodari 9y ago
  Well, no. If recycling programs were actually involving the government checking if the stuff in there was actually recyclable then there would be no problem whatsever meeting those standards. That is, apparently, not part of those recycling programs. Turns out the only recycling that was ever done was making great stickers (from oil, of course, you can't make this up). And of course, the government hiring external companies (no doubt owned by "the right people"), who weren't expected to do anything. Nobody wants to check, nobody does check, and I keep hearing it isn't even kept separate.
matt4077 9y ago
Don't spread conspiracies without proof. Here is, for example, a nice chart showing recycling quotas of >80% for most types of waste: https://www.alba.info/fileadmin/alba/pressemappe/kreislaufwirtschaft_deutschland/10_VerwertungHauptabfallstro__me_032017_E.pdf https://www.alba.info/fileadmin/alba/pressemappe/kreislaufwi... Yeah, that's not the US, which you were probably talking about. But it's proof that it's possible.
- candiodari 9y ago
  Since "recycled" clearly means "shipped to a landfill in China" rather than "re-used", those recycling quotas only mean that we waste extra oil shipping the waste around, and none of it is actually recycled ...

falsedan 9y ago

From the article: > Using meat tax revenues to subsidise healthy foods is one idea touted to reduce opposition.

paulmd 9y ago

All government revenue is fungible, so this doesn't matter in the slightest.