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'Who is to blame? Amazon? The companies? The drivers? Capitalism gone mad? Take your pick.' You can add 'customers' to this list since this is where it all beg

by dazc 9y ago

'Who is to blame? Amazon? The companies? The drivers? Capitalism gone mad? Take your pick.' You can add 'customers' to this list since this is where it all begins. It isn't so long ago that all people complained about was the time it took for stuff to be delivered and all those 'we called but there was no one in' cards. So capitalism responded and now folks have something else to complain about.

PeachPlum 9y ago
Once upon a time, not so long ago, this was perfectly acceptable: "Please allow 28 days for delivery"
misja111 9y ago
I don't see why this was downvoted. If Amazon would treat their drivers better, prices and/or delivery times would go up. And that would make a lot of customers go to competitors who might treat their drivers worse but offer a better deal.
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tobbyb 9y ago
Customers can only choose not demand, so this is simply a red herring to shift and diffuse blame and responsibility to consumers from the primary abuser who is actually doing this, and create an environment of helplessness. Tomorrow if customers demand 10% of the existing prices are companies going to line up with slave labour conditions to deliver and then shift blame? Responsibility does not work like this.
- dazc 9y ago
  '..are companies going to line up with slave labour conditions to deliver and then shift blame?' No because we don't drag people off the street and force them to be delivery drivers. There is a level at which people feel incentivised to do this kind of work and there is a level at which they look for something else.
eeZah7Ux 9y ago
Of all involved parties, drivers and customers are the ones with least power to influence this decisions. By far. That's why unions and governments pushed hard to regulate employment to protect workers during the last 150 years.
- dazc 9y ago
  Yes and then (in the UK) the labour movement split into working class people and middle class people with a socialist ideology. As it turned out, the two are not mutually compatible.

by dazc 9y ago

PeachPlum 9y ago

Once upon a time, not so long ago, this was perfectly acceptable: "Please allow 28 days for delivery"

misja111 9y ago

I don't see why this was downvoted. If Amazon would treat their drivers better, prices and/or delivery times would go up. And that would make a lot of customers go to competitors who might treat their drivers worse but offer a better deal.

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tobbyb 9y ago

Customers can only choose not demand, so this is simply a red herring to shift and diffuse blame and responsibility to consumers from the primary abuser who is actually doing this, and create an environment of helplessness. Tomorrow if customers demand 10% of the existing prices are companies going to line up with slave labour conditions to deliver and then shift blame? Responsibility does not work like this.

dazc 9y ago
'..are companies going to line up with slave labour conditions to deliver and then shift blame?' No because we don't drag people off the street and force them to be delivery drivers. There is a level at which people feel incentivised to do this kind of work and there is a level at which they look for something else.

eeZah7Ux 9y ago

Of all involved parties, drivers and customers are the ones with least power to influence this decisions. By far. That's why unions and governments pushed hard to regulate employment to protect workers during the last 150 years.

dazc 9y ago
Yes and then (in the UK) the labour movement split into working class people and middle class people with a socialist ideology. As it turned out, the two are not mutually compatible.