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A similar sort of thing is already possible using the NOLOH PHP Framework (http://www.noloh.com http://www.noloh.com) using its Listener Control. Using a quick

by asnyder 16y ago

A similar sort of thing is already possible using the NOLOH PHP Framework (http://www.noloh.com http://www.noloh.com) using its Listener Control. Using a quick example similar to the post you can simply do something like: http://noloh.diffpaste.com/#/691/ http://noloh.diffpaste.com/#/691/. Furthermore, you can specify the various options, whether it's stream, short-poll, or long-polling. A video demonstrating it from this past March's Confoo web conference can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/phpframework#p/c/C102458C2FFD8ACF/7/8r0FR0Dx4zE http://www.youtube.com/phpframework#p/c/C102458C2FFD8ACF/7/8... We're also planning to add a more direct syntax in the future so that you can easily set properties of objects directly to a changing data source without having to handle the assignment in a controlled callback, which we initially mandate due to taking the cautious route, thus allowing you to handle for data and security issues. Disclaimer: I'm a co-founder of NOLOH

Keyframe 16y ago
Looks rather interesting. I'm not sure I follow licensing options. So it's a framework one cannot use for free in commercial projects? Also, are there any performance reviews of it and is that "Loading..." configurable or hardwired? Thanks. edit: I may be out of the loop a bit, but how does google and other spiders crawl pages like that?
- asnyder 16y ago
  Loading is configurable, it's just an object like anything else. See LoadIndicator http://dev.noloh.com/#/api/WebPage/LoadIndicator/ http://dev.noloh.com/#/api/WebPage/LoadIndicator/. We're sorry about the confusion regarding licensing. Essentially free for anything non-commercial (open-source, educational, non-profit), and development. We offer free hosted sandboxes, in addition to free downloads for developing. Essentially, you only pay when you go live with a commercial product, and even then we offer affordable options. There will be a comprehensive performance review in an upcoming issue of php|architect magazine. Since the framework is built from the ground-up to be lightweight and on-demand the result is considerable. You can read more about that here: http://www.noloh.com/#/home/&expanded=performance http://www.noloh.com/#/home/&expanded=performance. In regards to the spidering question, see: http://dev.noloh.com/#/articles/Search-Engine-Friendly/ http://dev.noloh.com/#/articles/Search-Engine-Friendly/. You can also read a comprehensive article in this past May's cover story in php|architect, http://www.phparch.com/magazine/2010/may/ http://www.phparch.com/magazine/2010/may/.
  - marcuswestin 16y ago
    Fun is MIT licensed :) http://github.com/marcuswestin/fun/commit/05870f3f54fda430909dddc9ee47311987e5410b http://github.com/marcuswestin/fun/commit/05870f3f54fda43090...
    - asnyder 16y ago
      We feel that NOLOH is significantly advanced to warrant a small fee for commercial purposes. As you can see from my previous post we offer several free license options, including free licenses for open-source projects. Fortunately/Unfortunately (depending on your viewpoint), we live in a capitalistic society and need to recoup some of the costs associated with our team's development over the past six years. Furthermore, we open-source every new module and component on our github either through an MIT or BSD license. We've even taken the unprecedented step of integrating github into our site as can be read here: http://dev.noloh.com/#/blog/2010/06/30/demos-demos-everywhere/ http://dev.noloh.com/#/blog/2010/06/30/demos-demos-everywher.... Like Google, we open source anything non-related to the NOLOH core. Similarly , they don't release the details or the code to their search engine. Also, we're working on legalize that would open source the core if anything were to happen to us.
      - marcuswestin 16y ago
        That's awesome! Sorry, didn't mean to sound cheesy. Yeah, I find most shops commercially licensing open source software get pinched into an almost apologetic position. Seems completely counter productive and unfair to me.
      - jacquesm 16y ago
        Your comparison with Google is flawed, google does not ship the core software to third parties for integration in to their product, it's purely a service. So google not shipping their core as open source has a different impact on their users than NOLOH releasing the source of their core would have on theirs.
        asnyder 16y ago

by asnyder 16y ago

Keyframe 16y ago

Looks rather interesting. I'm not sure I follow licensing options. So it's a framework one cannot use for free in commercial projects? Also, are there any performance reviews of it and is that "Loading..." configurable or hardwired? Thanks. edit: I may be out of the loop a bit, but how does google and other spiders crawl pages like that?

asnyder 16y ago
Loading is configurable, it's just an object like anything else. See LoadIndicator http://dev.noloh.com/#/api/WebPage/LoadIndicator/ http://dev.noloh.com/#/api/WebPage/LoadIndicator/. We're sorry about the confusion regarding licensing. Essentially free for anything non-commercial (open-source, educational, non-profit), and development. We offer free hosted sandboxes, in addition to free downloads for developing. Essentially, you only pay when you go live with a commercial product, and even then we offer affordable options. There will be a comprehensive performance review in an upcoming issue of php|architect magazine. Since the framework is built from the ground-up to be lightweight and on-demand the result is considerable. You can read more about that here: http://www.noloh.com/#/home/&expanded=performance http://www.noloh.com/#/home/&expanded=performance. In regards to the spidering question, see: http://dev.noloh.com/#/articles/Search-Engine-Friendly/ http://dev.noloh.com/#/articles/Search-Engine-Friendly/. You can also read a comprehensive article in this past May's cover story in php|architect, http://www.phparch.com/magazine/2010/may/ http://www.phparch.com/magazine/2010/may/.
- marcuswestin 16y ago
  Fun is MIT licensed :) http://github.com/marcuswestin/fun/commit/05870f3f54fda430909dddc9ee47311987e5410b http://github.com/marcuswestin/fun/commit/05870f3f54fda43090...
  - asnyder 16y ago
    We feel that NOLOH is significantly advanced to warrant a small fee for commercial purposes. As you can see from my previous post we offer several free license options, including free licenses for open-source projects. Fortunately/Unfortunately (depending on your viewpoint), we live in a capitalistic society and need to recoup some of the costs associated with our team's development over the past six years. Furthermore, we open-source every new module and component on our github either through an MIT or BSD license. We've even taken the unprecedented step of integrating github into our site as can be read here: http://dev.noloh.com/#/blog/2010/06/30/demos-demos-everywhere/ http://dev.noloh.com/#/blog/2010/06/30/demos-demos-everywher.... Like Google, we open source anything non-related to the NOLOH core. Similarly , they don't release the details or the code to their search engine. Also, we're working on legalize that would open source the core if anything were to happen to us.
    - marcuswestin 16y ago
      That's awesome! Sorry, didn't mean to sound cheesy. Yeah, I find most shops commercially licensing open source software get pinched into an almost apologetic position. Seems completely counter productive and unfair to me.
    - jacquesm 16y ago
      Your comparison with Google is flawed, google does not ship the core software to third parties for integration in to their product, it's purely a service. So google not shipping their core as open source has a different impact on their users than NOLOH releasing the source of their core would have on theirs.
      - asnyder 16y ago