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"Adult" doesn't mean anything when you use it that way. Many people reach adulthood without having the experiences necessary to conform to your expectations. Wh

by Retra 9y ago

"Adult" doesn't mean anything when you use it that way. Many people reach adulthood without having the experiences necessary to conform to your expectations. What of them?

watwut 9y ago
> Many people reach adulthood without having the experiences necessary to conform to your expectations. First, they are adults without experience. Second, I don't think I have all that much higher expectations in whatever requires experience. Quite possibly I would excuse more immaturity in them then parent. However, I strongly believe that we are not doing them good service when we talk about them as if they would be in elementary school. When kindergarten kid destroys something, it is on adults. That is not how I evaluate 19 years old. To keep with comparison, their peers who did not had good enough SAT score have no more experiences. And if they have, they are exactly experiences of a bad kind. More importantly, it is not just about experience. It is about your brain being less impulsive then as if you was 12 and about your ability to learn from new experiences and ability to think about morality at least little bit. On average, college students are the ones that should be expected to be more mature. College student is more likely to possess enough impulse control to not randomly spray McDonald and then be shocked it can get him arrested. When high school drop out does the same, his action is not excused as just dumb mistake - despite having higher chance to not possess that impulse control yet. This double think, how 19 years old elite college student is talked about as a child while 19 years old drop out is treated with full gravity of action makes no sense to me. It does not matter what kind of dumb mistake we talk. Dumb mistakes are not made equal. And then there are "dumb mistakes" that are neither dumb nor mistakes. They are simply immoral, unethical or asshole actions that the person knows as such, but has expectation of getting away with. I think that past actions of doing something morally wrong should be excused. However, I don't think they should be redefined down into "dumb mistakes" merely because perpetrator is sympathetic.

by Retra 9y ago

"Adult" doesn't mean anything when you use it that way. Many people reach adulthood without having the experiences necessary to conform to your expectations. What of them?

watwut 9y ago

> Many people reach adulthood without having the experiences necessary to conform to your expectations. First, they are adults without experience. Second, I don't think I have all that much higher expectations in whatever requires experience. Quite possibly I would excuse more immaturity in them then parent. However, I strongly believe that we are not doing them good service when we talk about them as if they would be in elementary school. When kindergarten kid destroys something, it is on adults. That is not how I evaluate 19 years old. To keep with comparison, their peers who did not had good enough SAT score have no more experiences. And if they have, they are exactly experiences of a bad kind. More importantly, it is not just about experience. It is about your brain being less impulsive then as if you was 12 and about your ability to learn from new experiences and ability to think about morality at least little bit. On average, college students are the ones that should be expected to be more mature. College student is more likely to possess enough impulse control to not randomly spray McDonald and then be shocked it can get him arrested. When high school drop out does the same, his action is not excused as just dumb mistake - despite having higher chance to not possess that impulse control yet. This double think, how 19 years old elite college student is talked about as a child while 19 years old drop out is treated with full gravity of action makes no sense to me. It does not matter what kind of dumb mistake we talk. Dumb mistakes are not made equal. And then there are "dumb mistakes" that are neither dumb nor mistakes. They are simply immoral, unethical or asshole actions that the person knows as such, but has expectation of getting away with. I think that past actions of doing something morally wrong should be excused. However, I don't think they should be redefined down into "dumb mistakes" merely because perpetrator is sympathetic.