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> This is why we need YouTube to begin with, instead of millions of people posting their videos on their personal page. People can post videos to their own hos

> This is why we need YouTube to begin with, instead of millions of people posting their videos on their personal page. People can post videos to their own hosted pages already. We "need" YouTube because 1) people generally don't want to host anything, and 2) it provides connectedness (search, related videos, subscribers, etc). P2P makes the first issue worse. The second issue is a problem of data federation, not client/server systems.

pessimizer 9y ago
> We "need" YouTube because 1) people generally don't want to host anything No, because it is expensive to host things, as mentioned in the comment you are replying to.
loup-vaillant 9y ago
> People can post videos to their own hosted pages already. No they cannot. Here's an example: what if make a nice tutorial, put it on my web site and submit it here and r/programming? If the thing is well done, people will download the video, and the sheer amount of requests may be enough to render my site unresponsive, simply because I don't have the bandwidth. So If I ever make a video, there's a good chance I host it to YouTube. Despite my reluctance to feed Alphabet. Even though I already operate a server. > 1) people generally don't want to host anything People want to publish stuff —that much is obvious. They want to avoid hassles if possible. And they rarely think about what centralised hosting entails. That doesn't amount to "don't want to host anything". Granted, hosting stuff yourself is a major hassle these days. It doesn't have to be, though.
- WJW 9y ago
  You can easily get more bandwidth though, it's not that it is somehow forbidden. You just don't want to pay for it. That is what youtube gives you: 'unlimited' video hosting bandwidth (and improved discoverability) in return for the opportunity to play their ads before your video. The bandwidth costs also don't magically disappear with IPFS, it is just a convenient way to make other people pay for it. In order of increasing independence you could choose to: - Host it on youtube, with the benefits and disadvantages you already mentioned. - Host it on a public S3 bucket and link to it from a HTML5 video player on your web page. You pay for only the storage and bandwidth used. - Keep the video on your own server, but pay a CDN to cache it for you. Actual bandwidth use of you server is now very low again. - Host it on a (big) server in a colocation center. You would typically buy bandwidth in advance though, so you want to be able to roughly predict how much you need. - Contract with a fiber laying company to lay a dedicated fiber line from the nearest backbone to your home. (Alternatively, a large microwave connection) Buy several 100Gbit NICS to go with it and negotiate peering agreements with the major networks. Most people don't want the hassle and cost of the latter options, but they are very possible and very legal. In your example with the programming video, if a ton of people want to see it then somewhere along the chain a lot of bandwidth is going to be used and it is _not_ free. All you do is shift who pays for it.
  - loup-vaillant 9y ago
    > You can easily get more bandwidth though, it's not that it is somehow forbidden. You just don't want to pay for it. Exactly, I'd like my viewers to pay for it. There are limits to my generosity, after all.
- yeukhon 9y ago
  >> People can post videos to their own hosted pages already. > No they cannot. Here's an example: what if make a nice tutorial, put it on my web site and submit it here and r/programming? If the thing is well done, people will download the video, and the sheer amount of requests may be enough to render my site unresponsive, simply because I don't have the bandwidth. He was already stating he didn't think hosting videos on their own page was the best solution for most audiences, in fact, nearly every audience today. Why are you arguing anyway?

pessimizer 9y ago

> We "need" YouTube because 1) people generally don't want to host anything No, because it is expensive to host things, as mentioned in the comment you are replying to.

loup-vaillant 9y ago

> People can post videos to their own hosted pages already. No they cannot. Here's an example: what if make a nice tutorial, put it on my web site and submit it here and r/programming? If the thing is well done, people will download the video, and the sheer amount of requests may be enough to render my site unresponsive, simply because I don't have the bandwidth. So If I ever make a video, there's a good chance I host it to YouTube. Despite my reluctance to feed Alphabet. Even though I already operate a server. > 1) people generally don't want to host anything People want to publish stuff —that much is obvious. They want to avoid hassles if possible. And they rarely think about what centralised hosting entails. That doesn't amount to "don't want to host anything". Granted, hosting stuff yourself is a major hassle these days. It doesn't have to be, though.

WJW 9y ago
You can easily get more bandwidth though, it's not that it is somehow forbidden. You just don't want to pay for it. That is what youtube gives you: 'unlimited' video hosting bandwidth (and improved discoverability) in return for the opportunity to play their ads before your video. The bandwidth costs also don't magically disappear with IPFS, it is just a convenient way to make other people pay for it. In order of increasing independence you could choose to: - Host it on youtube, with the benefits and disadvantages you already mentioned. - Host it on a public S3 bucket and link to it from a HTML5 video player on your web page. You pay for only the storage and bandwidth used. - Keep the video on your own server, but pay a CDN to cache it for you. Actual bandwidth use of you server is now very low again. - Host it on a (big) server in a colocation center. You would typically buy bandwidth in advance though, so you want to be able to roughly predict how much you need. - Contract with a fiber laying company to lay a dedicated fiber line from the nearest backbone to your home. (Alternatively, a large microwave connection) Buy several 100Gbit NICS to go with it and negotiate peering agreements with the major networks. Most people don't want the hassle and cost of the latter options, but they are very possible and very legal. In your example with the programming video, if a ton of people want to see it then somewhere along the chain a lot of bandwidth is going to be used and it is _not_ free. All you do is shift who pays for it.
- loup-vaillant 9y ago
  > You can easily get more bandwidth though, it's not that it is somehow forbidden. You just don't want to pay for it. Exactly, I'd like my viewers to pay for it. There are limits to my generosity, after all.
yeukhon 9y ago
>> People can post videos to their own hosted pages already. > No they cannot. Here's an example: what if make a nice tutorial, put it on my web site and submit it here and r/programming? If the thing is well done, people will download the video, and the sheer amount of requests may be enough to render my site unresponsive, simply because I don't have the bandwidth. He was already stating he didn't think hosting videos on their own page was the best solution for most audiences, in fact, nearly every audience today. Why are you arguing anyway?