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So what? Coincidences occur all the time. Unless they expose a deeper hidden scientific/mathematical truth (which is not the case here), they aren't worth me

So what? Coincidences occur all the time. Unless they expose a deeper hidden scientific/mathematical truth (which is not the case here), they aren't worth mentioning. Since the number of things that can be compared is astronomically huge (and increases every day), the chances of having coincidences is huge (and increases every day). The birthday paradox is an example of how common coincidences really are. Numerologists of centuries past wasted lots of intellectual potential by obsessing over simple coincidences.

macawfish 9y ago
maybe it's just cool?
- Froyoh 9y ago
  Some people are just party poopers.
IanCal 9y ago
Nobody is claiming any amazing connection, it's just a fun little detail.
gerdesj 9y ago
You are right this is a bit of whimsy. However it is not too obvious and I don't think it is fair to compare it with some of the dafter ideas that numerology has spat out in the past. Obviously our concept of time is based on 60 and 24 because there are loads of factors in those numbers which enables lots of convenient clock based shenanigans. However, is it obvious that the set of numbers {5,4,3,2,1} when raised to their own power and multiplied together is equal to the number of milli-seconds in one day? It is when it is pointed out. I doubt that there is any deeper meaning but it is simply a bit of fun. I recall that an Indian bloke who was close to death noted that the number of a taxi that some British mathematician took to get to the hospital was fleetingly interesting. If Ramanujan and Hardy can play silly games with numbers then why the hell can't us mere mortals.
- ajross 9y ago
  Those are the same criteria though. Any product of a bunch of timekeeping numbers is, because of all the small integer factors (which are there by design!) going to be a product of a bunch of small integers! Now, it's sort of a coincidence that there are exactly five 5's, 4 4's, etc... But that's not that big a search space in the first place.
  - gerdesj 9y ago
    It's just a bit of fun. Just like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1729_(number) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1729_(number) You are a clever person and I'm not daft either. We can have a laugh over how some numbers do silly things.
- falsedan 9y ago
  Ramanujan’s observation about 1729 is actually quite interesting and not at all whimsical or silly. It was that is is the smallest number expressible as the sum of two cubes in two different ways: 1^3 + 12^3 10^3 + 9^3 Ramanujan probably derived this on the spot (by familiarity with the low cubic powers, and eliminating all the other sums of the low cubics [(n-2)^3 + (n-1)^3 only exceeds n^3 for n>7]). But he may have already been familiar with this property, since it was first found by Frenicle (along with 4 other, higher numbers expressible as such a pair of sums of cubes) as a solution to a challenge put forth by Euler.
  - falsedan 9y ago
    Please don’t steal my bank cards.
  - DonbunEf7 9y ago
    Ramanujan may have been aware of 1728 == 12² because of 12's recurrence within number theory. (Well, really, 24's recurrence. [1]) He wrote down several equations [2] which feature 12 and 24, and given the time in which he lived, he may have been acquainted with the work of Felix Klein and others [3] as well. The other sum is 1000 + 729, much easier for a decimal-preferring mentat like Ramanujan to pull from thin air. [1] http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/numbers/ http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/numbers/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_modular_form https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_modular_form [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-invariant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-invariant
PhasmaFelis 9y ago
Nobody's obsessing wastefully. It's just interesting to people who find numbers interesting. Stop being such a grinch.
zokier 9y ago
But this is not purely a coincidence; what it demonstrates is that our timekeeping leans heavily on the 5-3-2 prime factors, which is, while not very deeply hidden, a meaningful insight.
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  Still is a coincidence. If the original post emphasized this fact of reliance on 5-3-2 prime factors, then the post would have been only a bit more interesting. But even had the original post simply been "Our timekeeping leans heavily on 5-3-2 factors", that still isn't terribly impressive. Little point in hacker news users upvoting every little such coincidence. There's a large number of similar trivial coincidences if one bothered to look.
packetslave 9y ago
Says the guy who submitted a link to "Duck Penises Grow Bigger Among Rivals"
- gbraad 9y ago
  Coincidences happen all the time ;-)
- Exuma 9y ago
  Lol, incredible
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  That was a scientific article, which was quite insightful to how evolution works...in summary: Flightless birds can carry around the extra weight, so grow big penises to impress mates, while flying birds can't afford the weight and so must result to colorful feathers to impress mates.
thomastjeffery 9y ago
> Numerologists of centuries past wasted lots of intellectual potential by obsessing over simple coincidences. Do you seriously believe that "intellectual potential" is tied so closely to time or specific efforts? These exercises may not be useful on their own, but as exercises, they are useful to [s]he who exercises.

macawfish 9y ago

maybe it's just cool?

Froyoh 9y ago
Some people are just party poopers.

IanCal 9y ago

Nobody is claiming any amazing connection, it's just a fun little detail.

gerdesj 9y ago

You are right this is a bit of whimsy. However it is not too obvious and I don't think it is fair to compare it with some of the dafter ideas that numerology has spat out in the past. Obviously our concept of time is based on 60 and 24 because there are loads of factors in those numbers which enables lots of convenient clock based shenanigans. However, is it obvious that the set of numbers {5,4,3,2,1} when raised to their own power and multiplied together is equal to the number of milli-seconds in one day? It is when it is pointed out. I doubt that there is any deeper meaning but it is simply a bit of fun. I recall that an Indian bloke who was close to death noted that the number of a taxi that some British mathematician took to get to the hospital was fleetingly interesting. If Ramanujan and Hardy can play silly games with numbers then why the hell can't us mere mortals.

ajross 9y ago
Those are the same criteria though. Any product of a bunch of timekeeping numbers is, because of all the small integer factors (which are there by design!) going to be a product of a bunch of small integers! Now, it's sort of a coincidence that there are exactly five 5's, 4 4's, etc... But that's not that big a search space in the first place.
- gerdesj 9y ago
  It's just a bit of fun. Just like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1729_(number) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1729_(number) You are a clever person and I'm not daft either. We can have a laugh over how some numbers do silly things.
falsedan 9y ago
Ramanujan’s observation about 1729 is actually quite interesting and not at all whimsical or silly. It was that is is the smallest number expressible as the sum of two cubes in two different ways: 1^3 + 12^3 10^3 + 9^3 Ramanujan probably derived this on the spot (by familiarity with the low cubic powers, and eliminating all the other sums of the low cubics [(n-2)^3 + (n-1)^3 only exceeds n^3 for n>7]). But he may have already been familiar with this property, since it was first found by Frenicle (along with 4 other, higher numbers expressible as such a pair of sums of cubes) as a solution to a challenge put forth by Euler.
- falsedan 9y ago
  Please don’t steal my bank cards.
- DonbunEf7 9y ago
  Ramanujan may have been aware of 1728 == 12² because of 12's recurrence within number theory. (Well, really, 24's recurrence. [1]) He wrote down several equations [2] which feature 12 and 24, and given the time in which he lived, he may have been acquainted with the work of Felix Klein and others [3] as well. The other sum is 1000 + 729, much easier for a decimal-preferring mentat like Ramanujan to pull from thin air. [1] http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/numbers/ http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/numbers/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_modular_form https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_modular_form [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-invariant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-invariant

PhasmaFelis 9y ago

Nobody's obsessing wastefully. It's just interesting to people who find numbers interesting. Stop being such a grinch.

zokier 9y ago

But this is not purely a coincidence; what it demonstrates is that our timekeeping leans heavily on the 5-3-2 prime factors, which is, while not very deeply hidden, a meaningful insight.

em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
Still is a coincidence. If the original post emphasized this fact of reliance on 5-3-2 prime factors, then the post would have been only a bit more interesting. But even had the original post simply been "Our timekeeping leans heavily on 5-3-2 factors", that still isn't terribly impressive. Little point in hacker news users upvoting every little such coincidence. There's a large number of similar trivial coincidences if one bothered to look.

packetslave 9y ago

Says the guy who submitted a link to "Duck Penises Grow Bigger Among Rivals"

gbraad 9y ago
Coincidences happen all the time ;-)
Exuma 9y ago
Lol, incredible
em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
That was a scientific article, which was quite insightful to how evolution works...in summary: Flightless birds can carry around the extra weight, so grow big penises to impress mates, while flying birds can't afford the weight and so must result to colorful feathers to impress mates.

thomastjeffery 9y ago

> Numerologists of centuries past wasted lots of intellectual potential by obsessing over simple coincidences. Do you seriously believe that "intellectual potential" is tied so closely to time or specific efforts? These exercises may not be useful on their own, but as exercises, they are useful to [s]he who exercises.