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So don’t talk to the police. Yet the same people promoting that are against concealed carry and the castle doctrine. So how does one defend themselves and thei

So don’t talk to the police. Yet the same people promoting that are against concealed carry and the castle doctrine. So how does one defend themselves and their property if we assume we aren’t supposed to cooperate with police. It’s a serious question — we are supposed to be opposed to self defense because ostensibly police exist to protect us, but then we aren’t supposed to actually talk to police? How does that work? Taken to a logical extreme, we aren’t even supposed to call the police right? We are supposed to trust big government with health care but we aren’t supposed to trust government in protecting fundamental rights to life, liberty and property? This position makes zero logical sense.

whamlastxmas 9y ago
Even if concealed carry and castle doctrine laws didn't exist, you'd still be able to arm yourself against intruders. What they will teach you in CHL classes is, if you shoot someone, to call the police and say "There was a shooting. Please send police and ambulance" and then hang up. You're not admitting anything, and asking for the ambulance is important because it displays concern for the person shot.
- Tyrannosaur 9y ago
  "There was a shooting. Please send police and ambulance" and then hang up? Won't the police show up expecting an active armed gunman? Is there anything you can say to show that there is no new danger of violence without implicating yourself?
AnodyneComplex 9y ago
The whole point is that it doesn't benefit you, _if you're a potential suspect_ to talk to the police. This shouldn't be a surprise no matter how perfect the justice system is -- it's better to not be involved with it if you can. I'm not sure why healthcare makes for big government? We already have wildly successful healthcare programs in the US that are government managed and are cheaper than private alternatives. So we should trust the government can provide them because... it does. I wouldn't want the federal government running every pastry shop on the other hand. I have no idea where concealed carry fits into this.
nxc18 9y ago
You’re not supposed to talk to police without the advice of a lawyer. Especially not after you’ve been detained or asked to come down to the station. You should absolutely trust the police to try to find a suspect to prosecute because that is their job, as currently widely understood. Also, small clarification: policing in the US has nothing to do with big government generally; there are thousands of police departments and each one is independent of all the others. Maybe the FBI counts as ‘big fovernment’, but they certainly aren’t your everyday police officers.

whamlastxmas 9y ago

Even if concealed carry and castle doctrine laws didn't exist, you'd still be able to arm yourself against intruders. What they will teach you in CHL classes is, if you shoot someone, to call the police and say "There was a shooting. Please send police and ambulance" and then hang up. You're not admitting anything, and asking for the ambulance is important because it displays concern for the person shot.

Tyrannosaur 9y ago
"There was a shooting. Please send police and ambulance" and then hang up? Won't the police show up expecting an active armed gunman? Is there anything you can say to show that there is no new danger of violence without implicating yourself?

AnodyneComplex 9y ago

The whole point is that it doesn't benefit you, _if you're a potential suspect_ to talk to the police. This shouldn't be a surprise no matter how perfect the justice system is -- it's better to not be involved with it if you can. I'm not sure why healthcare makes for big government? We already have wildly successful healthcare programs in the US that are government managed and are cheaper than private alternatives. So we should trust the government can provide them because... it does. I wouldn't want the federal government running every pastry shop on the other hand. I have no idea where concealed carry fits into this.

nxc18 9y ago

You’re not supposed to talk to police without the advice of a lawyer. Especially not after you’ve been detained or asked to come down to the station. You should absolutely trust the police to try to find a suspect to prosecute because that is their job, as currently widely understood. Also, small clarification: policing in the US has nothing to do with big government generally; there are thousands of police departments and each one is independent of all the others. Maybe the FBI counts as ‘big fovernment’, but they certainly aren’t your everyday police officers.