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I don't think I can watch this video, but I would like to know what happened. Can someone perhaps provide a "transcript"?

cryoshon 9y ago
imagine a man face down on the ground with his hands behind his head and his legs crossed in a narrow hallway. the man is sobbing in terror, and drunk. two cops are pointing assault weapons at the man and screaming at him from 20 feet down the hallway. eventually, they shoot him.
- backpropaganda 9y ago
  Why do they shoot him? Did he move abruptly or something? What should I be doing if I find myself in a similar situation?
  - notatoad 9y ago
    I can't bring myself to watch it either, but from other descriptions: the police order the man to crawl towards them (while simultaneously yelling at him to put his hands in the air). As he's crawling along the floor, his pants start sliding off. When he reaches down to pull up his pants, the police kill him.
    - mitchellberry 9y ago
      People don't realise how natural a reaction this is also, if your pants are coming off it's muscle memory to grab them.
    - gst 9y ago
      "Jurors in the Daniel Shaver case were not allowed to know that the police officer who shot him had scratched “you’re fucked” into his service weapon." Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/footage-of-a-police-killing-that-jurors-didnt-punish/547868/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/footage...
    - sliverstorm 9y ago
      These cases are all pretty damn ridiculous, but do always seem to involve the victim doing something with the hands. Goes without saying this shouldn't be happening, but makes me think as a member of the public, step one is just, keep your hands where they can see them. (Which isn't big news)
  - orangecat 9y ago
    In hindsight, I think the only way he could have survived would have been to not move at all. The trigger-happy lunatic was going to shoot him the instant he made any "unexpected" motion, which was inevitable given the confusing and contradictory orders being shouted at him.
  - SerLava 9y ago
    There's not a lot you can do.
  - deleted 9y ago
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mojoe 9y ago
I watched the video and read some background, basically my understanding is that the entire series of events went like this, at a high level: The guy in the hotel room had been showing someone his pellet gun. Someone saw this through the hotel room window, thinking it was a real gun, and called the cops. The cops arrived, expecting someone armed and dangerous. They seem really amped up on adrenaline. A woman and the man come out of the hotel room, and the cop with the assault rifle screams at them to get down on the ground. They comply, but seem scared and confused. The cop asks if they are drunk, which they deny. He asks if they'll be able to understand all his commands, and they say yes. He keeps screaming at them and cutting them off when they try to talk. The woman follows instructions and is successfully cuffed and taken away. The man tries to comply, but is sobbing and appears drunk. The cop gives him some (what seemed to me) not entirely clear instructions, and then tells the man to crawl toward him. After about 5 feet the man seems to lose his balance and try to pull up his pants, at which point the cop repeatly shoots him. At the end the two cops try to get in to the hotel room, but the key cards they are given don't work. The second cop drops a key card after trying it a handful of times, picks it up, and keeps trying, seemingly extremely agitated. The video then cuts out.
Red_Tarsius 9y ago
As the suspect was crawling toward the police, he moved his right arm to adjust his pants. Bang, dead. None of this would have happened if the sergeant hadn't given many contradictory instructions to the drunk victim. The team was allegedly afraid of an ambush from the adjacent room, but they throw any caution to the wind straight after that. That video is a masterclass in incompetence. Neither the sergeant nor the shooter received any meaningful punishment.

cryoshon 9y ago

imagine a man face down on the ground with his hands behind his head and his legs crossed in a narrow hallway. the man is sobbing in terror, and drunk. two cops are pointing assault weapons at the man and screaming at him from 20 feet down the hallway. eventually, they shoot him.

backpropaganda 9y ago
Why do they shoot him? Did he move abruptly or something? What should I be doing if I find myself in a similar situation?
- notatoad 9y ago
  I can't bring myself to watch it either, but from other descriptions: the police order the man to crawl towards them (while simultaneously yelling at him to put his hands in the air). As he's crawling along the floor, his pants start sliding off. When he reaches down to pull up his pants, the police kill him.
  - mitchellberry 9y ago
    People don't realise how natural a reaction this is also, if your pants are coming off it's muscle memory to grab them.
  - gst 9y ago
    "Jurors in the Daniel Shaver case were not allowed to know that the police officer who shot him had scratched “you’re fucked” into his service weapon." Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/footage-of-a-police-killing-that-jurors-didnt-punish/547868/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/footage...
  - sliverstorm 9y ago
    These cases are all pretty damn ridiculous, but do always seem to involve the victim doing something with the hands. Goes without saying this shouldn't be happening, but makes me think as a member of the public, step one is just, keep your hands where they can see them. (Which isn't big news)
- orangecat 9y ago
  In hindsight, I think the only way he could have survived would have been to not move at all. The trigger-happy lunatic was going to shoot him the instant he made any "unexpected" motion, which was inevitable given the confusing and contradictory orders being shouted at him.
- SerLava 9y ago
  There's not a lot you can do.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]

mojoe 9y ago

I watched the video and read some background, basically my understanding is that the entire series of events went like this, at a high level: The guy in the hotel room had been showing someone his pellet gun. Someone saw this through the hotel room window, thinking it was a real gun, and called the cops. The cops arrived, expecting someone armed and dangerous. They seem really amped up on adrenaline. A woman and the man come out of the hotel room, and the cop with the assault rifle screams at them to get down on the ground. They comply, but seem scared and confused. The cop asks if they are drunk, which they deny. He asks if they'll be able to understand all his commands, and they say yes. He keeps screaming at them and cutting them off when they try to talk. The woman follows instructions and is successfully cuffed and taken away. The man tries to comply, but is sobbing and appears drunk. The cop gives him some (what seemed to me) not entirely clear instructions, and then tells the man to crawl toward him. After about 5 feet the man seems to lose his balance and try to pull up his pants, at which point the cop repeatly shoots him. At the end the two cops try to get in to the hotel room, but the key cards they are given don't work. The second cop drops a key card after trying it a handful of times, picks it up, and keeps trying, seemingly extremely agitated. The video then cuts out.

Red_Tarsius 9y ago

As the suspect was crawling toward the police, he moved his right arm to adjust his pants. Bang, dead. None of this would have happened if the sergeant hadn't given many contradictory instructions to the drunk victim. The team was allegedly afraid of an ambush from the adjacent room, but they throw any caution to the wind straight after that. That video is a masterclass in incompetence. Neither the sergeant nor the shooter received any meaningful punishment.