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Are you from Philippines? From what I know people there are quite happy of Duterte work despite the overzealous rhetoric. If you are in US I can't see how can y

Are you from Philippines? From what I know people there are quite happy of Duterte work despite the overzealous rhetoric. If you are in US I can't see how can you criticise him given that death penalty is quite widespread there and a lot of times the trial is a farce especially if you are black.

varjag 9y ago
German people were happy with Hitler too. And the US had death penalty in the 1930s.
anon1385 9y ago
Do I need to have lived in Nazi Germany to talk about the crimes of the Nazis? I'm not from the US and I'm a vocal critic of US governments, past and present. But even if I was American, the actions of the US government wouldn't be something it was within my power to change and wouldn't be relevant to what Duterte is doing. Adopting the rhetoric of the Stalinist USSR isn't helping your case here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
- tigershark 9y ago
  You need at least to know something about the things that you speak about. I can't really stand people that feel entitled to babel about everything without having the slightest idea of the subject they are discussing.
  - wyclif 9y ago
    Well, as I said above, I'm in the Philippines, and I'm here to tell you that it's rather troubling what's going on here from a civil rights perspective. Hundreds of journalists have been killed here since the era of the Marcos administration, and the Philippines (and Pakistan!) are among the most dangerous countries in the world for journalists.
    - jister 9y ago
      that's because a lot of journalists here can be paid. this is a fact. for example, a certain mayor in my city doesn't want to pay his electric bills so what he did was pay journalists to write black propaganda about the president of the electric company to destroy his reputation. and when that wasn't enough he paid the news commentator of an infamous radio station. this happened a decade ago.
      - anigbrowl 9y ago
        For someone who likes to make such broad assertions you don't make any effort to substantiate them. And you're implicitly condoning murder as a response to journalistic corruption. How do I know you're not being paid?
andrepd 9y ago
The US has problems with criminal justice, but let's not even compare. Duterte is not even on the same league.
LV-426 9y ago
> Are you from Philippines? From what I know people there Is his argument invalid if he's not in the Philippines, but yours isn't? > If you are in US I can't see how can you criticise him given that death penalty is quite widespread there Because maybe he doesn't support the death penalty in the US either. > and a lot of times the trial is a farce especially if you are black. As compared to the trials in the Philippines? Here's what it looks like: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/07/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-drugs-killings.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/07/world/asia/ro...
- tigershark 9y ago
  My wife is from Philippines, I go there pretty much twice a year, I know a lot of people from Philippines, so maybe I understand their situation a bit better than the countless keyboard warriors that write here without even having put a foot in the country...
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wyclif 9y ago
I'm writing this from the Philippines. The problem here is that this country has a very weak commitment to rule of law, even though the Constitution of 1987 is based on the US Constitution. The big difference though, especially with regard to the large number of extra-judicial killings that have been carried out under Duterte's administration and with his approval, is that the victims were killed without a trial at all. Say what you want about the US death penalty and the fairness of it, but you cannot be put to death in the US by the government without a trial and legal representation. The Philippines glorifies vigilantism and "banana leaf justice" (because the murdered victims are often covered with a banana leaf or a piece of cardboard with "pusher" scrawled on it) Whataboutism doesn't change that.
- justin66 9y ago
  I heard a series of "on the street" interviews with Filipinos recently and one was with a couple, one of whom approved of Duterte and one who did not. When the guy, who approved of Duterte, was asked about extrajudicial killings he said something along the lines of "yes, that goes overboard sometimes. Aside from that he's good." That attitude is even more unsettling to me, somehow. "Aside from all the murders he's committing, things are going well."
  - tigershark 9y ago
    As far as I know he didn't commit any murder, do you have proof of the contrary?
    - justin66 9y ago
      Are you denying that there have been extrajudicial killings, or are you denying that the person who gives the order is responsible? Just curious.
- joeax 9y ago
  > but you cannot be put to death in the US by the government without a trial and legal representation I agree with you mostly, but um, if you pay attention our cops shoot and kill thousands of people per year, many of them unarmed. And we have a president that was lauding this practice (and praising Duterte). We're nowhere nearly as bad as Duterte, but we're heading in the wrong direction.
cvsh 9y ago
This is literally textbook Soviet-style whataboutism. 1. Assert people are happy with the system 2. Ask "What about the civil rights movement in the U.S.?" to deflect from human rights abuses
jnbiche 9y ago
You're defending a guy who brags every chance he gets about murdering several guys. Are we supposed to believe that footage of him is fake? Let me guess, you support Trump, too? I never would have guessed that so many of my fellow Americans were such authoritarians. I knew there were some, of course, but it looks like they may comprise around 30-35% of our population. Tough times ahead for the liberty-minded... Look, I get the appeal of Duterte. I'm sure that a large percentage of Filipinos are happy with his behavior. That doesn't mean it's right. Finally, tu quoque is not a very good verbal defense tactic. Most people disregard it other than the people who already agree with you. Most famous example of this technique is Stalin's use of "and you are lynching negroes" [1]. He wasn't wrong, but that didn't mean he wasn't also carrying out political murders on a massive scale. It's just poor rhetoric. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
- jister 9y ago
  We've seen a lot of footage from your media that were edited. How do you explain that?
  - jnbiche 9y ago
    So you maintain that Duterte has not bragged about committing extrajudicial killings?

varjag 9y ago

German people were happy with Hitler too. And the US had death penalty in the 1930s.

anon1385 9y ago

Do I need to have lived in Nazi Germany to talk about the crimes of the Nazis? I'm not from the US and I'm a vocal critic of US governments, past and present. But even if I was American, the actions of the US government wouldn't be something it was within my power to change and wouldn't be relevant to what Duterte is doing. Adopting the rhetoric of the Stalinist USSR isn't helping your case here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

tigershark 9y ago
You need at least to know something about the things that you speak about. I can't really stand people that feel entitled to babel about everything without having the slightest idea of the subject they are discussing.
- wyclif 9y ago
  Well, as I said above, I'm in the Philippines, and I'm here to tell you that it's rather troubling what's going on here from a civil rights perspective. Hundreds of journalists have been killed here since the era of the Marcos administration, and the Philippines (and Pakistan!) are among the most dangerous countries in the world for journalists.
  - jister 9y ago
    that's because a lot of journalists here can be paid. this is a fact. for example, a certain mayor in my city doesn't want to pay his electric bills so what he did was pay journalists to write black propaganda about the president of the electric company to destroy his reputation. and when that wasn't enough he paid the news commentator of an infamous radio station. this happened a decade ago.
    - anigbrowl 9y ago
      For someone who likes to make such broad assertions you don't make any effort to substantiate them. And you're implicitly condoning murder as a response to journalistic corruption. How do I know you're not being paid?

andrepd 9y ago

The US has problems with criminal justice, but let's not even compare. Duterte is not even on the same league.

LV-426 9y ago

> Are you from Philippines? From what I know people there Is his argument invalid if he's not in the Philippines, but yours isn't? > If you are in US I can't see how can you criticise him given that death penalty is quite widespread there Because maybe he doesn't support the death penalty in the US either. > and a lot of times the trial is a farce especially if you are black. As compared to the trials in the Philippines? Here's what it looks like: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/07/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-drugs-killings.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/07/world/asia/ro...

tigershark 9y ago
My wife is from Philippines, I go there pretty much twice a year, I know a lot of people from Philippines, so maybe I understand their situation a bit better than the countless keyboard warriors that write here without even having put a foot in the country...
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wyclif 9y ago

I'm writing this from the Philippines. The problem here is that this country has a very weak commitment to rule of law, even though the Constitution of 1987 is based on the US Constitution. The big difference though, especially with regard to the large number of extra-judicial killings that have been carried out under Duterte's administration and with his approval, is that the victims were killed without a trial at all. Say what you want about the US death penalty and the fairness of it, but you cannot be put to death in the US by the government without a trial and legal representation. The Philippines glorifies vigilantism and "banana leaf justice" (because the murdered victims are often covered with a banana leaf or a piece of cardboard with "pusher" scrawled on it) Whataboutism doesn't change that.

justin66 9y ago
I heard a series of "on the street" interviews with Filipinos recently and one was with a couple, one of whom approved of Duterte and one who did not. When the guy, who approved of Duterte, was asked about extrajudicial killings he said something along the lines of "yes, that goes overboard sometimes. Aside from that he's good." That attitude is even more unsettling to me, somehow. "Aside from all the murders he's committing, things are going well."
- tigershark 9y ago
  As far as I know he didn't commit any murder, do you have proof of the contrary?
  - justin66 9y ago
    Are you denying that there have been extrajudicial killings, or are you denying that the person who gives the order is responsible? Just curious.
joeax 9y ago
> but you cannot be put to death in the US by the government without a trial and legal representation I agree with you mostly, but um, if you pay attention our cops shoot and kill thousands of people per year, many of them unarmed. And we have a president that was lauding this practice (and praising Duterte). We're nowhere nearly as bad as Duterte, but we're heading in the wrong direction.

cvsh 9y ago

This is literally textbook Soviet-style whataboutism. 1. Assert people are happy with the system 2. Ask "What about the civil rights movement in the U.S.?" to deflect from human rights abuses

jnbiche 9y ago

You're defending a guy who brags every chance he gets about murdering several guys. Are we supposed to believe that footage of him is fake? Let me guess, you support Trump, too? I never would have guessed that so many of my fellow Americans were such authoritarians. I knew there were some, of course, but it looks like they may comprise around 30-35% of our population. Tough times ahead for the liberty-minded... Look, I get the appeal of Duterte. I'm sure that a large percentage of Filipinos are happy with his behavior. That doesn't mean it's right. Finally, tu quoque is not a very good verbal defense tactic. Most people disregard it other than the people who already agree with you. Most famous example of this technique is Stalin's use of "and you are lynching negroes" [1]. He wasn't wrong, but that didn't mean he wasn't also carrying out political murders on a massive scale. It's just poor rhetoric. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

jister 9y ago
We've seen a lot of footage from your media that were edited. How do you explain that?
- jnbiche 9y ago
  So you maintain that Duterte has not bragged about committing extrajudicial killings?