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> I don't know why, but somehow people don't get it that agile is not a methodology but a spirit. Because of all the agile coaches, boards, trainings, conferen

by hawski 9y ago

> I don't know why, but somehow people don't get it that agile is not a methodology but a spirit. Because of all the agile coaches, boards, trainings, conferences and companies. It feels then more like a religion.

ris 9y ago
> It feels then more like a religion. Oh wow amen to this. I've started calling one of our managers "Reverend". Particularly when he begins a meeting with a statement that's starting to sound a lot like "we are gathered here today to...".
catnaroek 9y ago
Scientology, to be specific.
virgilp 9y ago
> It feels then more like a religion. A cult, more than religion. I believe "cargo cult" is the exact term.
BaronSamedi 9y ago
I'm sympathetic to agile but it does have a quasi-religious feel to it. I've noticed that its proponents make claims about the right way to do things with an unwarranted level of certainty. When I ask "why" (politely) I seldom get a satisfactory answer and often they get offended by the very question.
- zzzcpan 9y ago
  All methodologies are created for people who do not understand "why", they are inherently religious. Otherwise why would you need a methodology if you do understand all the "why"s? You can just develop one much more suited for your people and your projects and fine tune it over time.
falcolas 9y ago
> It feels then more like a religion. And this is not helped by the true believers constantly saying "you're doing it wrong." So, point me at someone doing it right then! Because the landscape is coated with people "doing it wrong", and since I'm doing this as a job, I don't have time to sift through piles of pyrite for a single nugget of gold.
gurkendoktor 9y ago
You forgot the tools! The current "capital-A Agile" project I'm helping out at started with long sessions where management and Agile Coaches developed a highly sophisticated (buggy) JIRA ticket workflow. Even now, when we ask for something simple like a new Confluence board, we have to actively push back against new rules, additional restrictions, and more gimmicky Atlassian plugins. It pains me that these misguided parasites are paid to make my life worse.

by hawski 9y ago

ris 9y ago

> It feels then more like a religion. Oh wow amen to this. I've started calling one of our managers "Reverend". Particularly when he begins a meeting with a statement that's starting to sound a lot like "we are gathered here today to...".

catnaroek 9y ago

Scientology, to be specific.

virgilp 9y ago

> It feels then more like a religion. A cult, more than religion. I believe "cargo cult" is the exact term.

BaronSamedi 9y ago

I'm sympathetic to agile but it does have a quasi-religious feel to it. I've noticed that its proponents make claims about the right way to do things with an unwarranted level of certainty. When I ask "why" (politely) I seldom get a satisfactory answer and often they get offended by the very question.

zzzcpan 9y ago
All methodologies are created for people who do not understand "why", they are inherently religious. Otherwise why would you need a methodology if you do understand all the "why"s? You can just develop one much more suited for your people and your projects and fine tune it over time.

falcolas 9y ago

> It feels then more like a religion. And this is not helped by the true believers constantly saying "you're doing it wrong." So, point me at someone doing it right then! Because the landscape is coated with people "doing it wrong", and since I'm doing this as a job, I don't have time to sift through piles of pyrite for a single nugget of gold.

gurkendoktor 9y ago

You forgot the tools! The current "capital-A Agile" project I'm helping out at started with long sessions where management and Agile Coaches developed a highly sophisticated (buggy) JIRA ticket workflow. Even now, when we ask for something simple like a new Confluence board, we have to actively push back against new rules, additional restrictions, and more gimmicky Atlassian plugins. It pains me that these misguided parasites are paid to make my life worse.