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>> On the other hand this Duterte guy seems to be the usual violent dictator kind and there is no way I can get behind that. An actress twitted that Duterte is

by jister 9y ago

>> On the other hand this Duterte guy seems to be the usual violent dictator kind and there is no way I can get behind that. An actress twitted that Duterte is a psychopath and his response was: "I leave her to her Constitutional right to free expression. She should enjoy that". Dictator right? Some of Duterte's dictatorship plan include: 1. Federalism so that power can be spread throughout the country not in one place only 2. Freedom of Information

anon1385 9y ago
For those reading this thread who aren't aware of what's happening in the Philippines, this is the guy that you are defending: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/30/rodrigo-duterte-vows-to-kill-3-million-drug-addicts-and-likens-himself-to-hitler https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/30/rodrigo-dutert... >Rodrigo Duterte vows to kill 3 million drug addicts and likens himself to Hitler
- jister 9y ago
  For those who are only relying their information on the internet and who are not physically present in the Philippines that's a rhetoric.
  - cyberpunk0 9y ago
    Mass murder is mass murder even if a populace is brainwashed, though I would would wager when you have death squads wandering around and use the cover of drugs to take out political opponents to gain power most people would side with you out of fear anyway, like most oppressive dictatorships. People like you are disgusting, you want to support such mass murder on genocidal levels fine but don't be surprised when people shun you. If it we're up to me you should be the one getting murdered for supporting this shit rather than all the innocents killed so far and pending due to fucking chemicals.
    - jister 9y ago
      People who have not been in the Philippines and are saying things that they don't know are just plain ignorant. For you to even accuse me of being disgusting just proves how naive you are about me and my country.
      - jpamata 9y ago
        It is disgusting to support an administration that lies about the statistics of drugs to justify their failing war on drugs that has also taken the lives of innocents from children to bystanders (which the government simply called as "collateral damage" [0]). How many times has our government lied to us about the statistics? 2015 - 1.8 Million Drug Users from a study by the Dangerous Drug Board [1] 2016 - Duterte claims that there are 3.7 Million Addicts in the country [2] 2016 - Months later, Duterte claims that there'd be 4 Million by the end of September [3] 2017 - On May, Philippine Drug Agency says there's now 4.7 Million Addicts [4] 2017 - On September, Foreign Affairs Secretary (and Duterte's VP running mate) hiked the number to 7 Million Drug Addicts at a UN Assembly [5] Tell me, if his war on drugs is such a success, then why is the number of junkies growing? sources: [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/17/duterte-says-children-killed-in-philippines-drug-war-are-collateral-damage https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/17/duterte-says-c... [1] https://www.rappler.com/nation/146654-drug-use-survey-results-dangerous-drugs-board-philippines-2015 https://www.rappler.com/nation/146654-drug-use-survey-result... [2] http://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/07/25/16/read-transcript-of-president-dutertes-1st-sona http://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/07/25/16/read-transcript-of-pr... [3] http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/09/23/1626648/duterte-hikes-philippines-drug-use-figure-anew-despite-little-evidence http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/09/23/1626648/duterte... [4] http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/05/04/1696547/pdea-philippines-has-4.7-m-drug-users http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/05/04/1696547/pdea-ph... [5] http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/09/28/1743577/cayetano-hikes-figure-drug-addicts-philippines-7-million http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/09/28/1743577/cayetan...
        659087 9y ago
        The number is "growing" to give Duterte and his friends justification to ramp up and continue their mass murder campaign and allow them to continue convincing the brainwashed masses that they're in constant danger and need their "protection" from the evil drug zombie hordes.
  - anon1385 9y ago
    Are you suggesting that the video of that press conference is fabricated? Why is my physical location relevant to criticising death squads executing people in the street?
    - jister 9y ago
      Your physical location is relevant because your knowledge about what's going on in the Philippines is very limited. The fact that you are saying about death squads proves my point. THERE ARE NO DEATH SQUADS HERE! Watching a few videos doesn't make you an expert about Philippines.
      - jinonoel 9y ago
        I'm from the Philippines. Am I allowed to comment? There absolutely are police death squads roaming around, so much that Philippine National Police's involvement in the drug war had to be removed after there was too much outrage from the populace. They were even caught executing unarmed kids on CCTV for fuck's sake. Just because you're biased towards our fucktard President and can't accept the truth doesn't mean others are just as blind as you.
        jister 9y ago
        The "death squads" or criminals that you are referring too are already part of the police several presidency before Duterte took office. Some of them are involve in drugs and have been killing before Duterte came so why are you blaming the president now?
        jinonoel 9y ago
        Because back then we didn't have a president that encouraged cops to just kill: http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/07/02/1598740/duterte-pnp-kill-1000-ill-protect-you http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/07/02/1598740/duterte... Or congratulated cops after they killed 58 people during drug raids in a single week: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/17/544128734/-that-s-good-philippine-president-says-as-drug-raids-kill-unprecedented-numbers https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/17/544128734.... Those drug raids lead to the CCTV footage of cops executing an unarmed 16-year old kid who was already in handcuffs, btw. Or has repeatedly vowed to pardon and ask for the reinstatement of the cops that have been charged with the murder of a drug lord inside his jail cell in the middle of the night: http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/03/31/17/duterte-vows-anew-to-pardon-promote-cops-who-killed-espinosa http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/03/31/17/duterte-vows-anew-to-p.... Those cops are now free on bail
  - daveFNbuck 9y ago
    What do you mean when you say that's a rhetoric? How does that make it ok when he's saying he wants to be like Hitler and slaughter 3 million people?
    - jister 9y ago
      it might not be okay in your country but in ours in came to a point that criminals here are not afraid of the law anymore. on my way to work i saw a criminal stabbed someone in broad daylight and then walk away like noting happened without fearing the police which is just a few blocks away.
      - daveFNbuck 9y ago
        Do you think Nazi Germany is a good model for how to fix your country?
- tigershark 9y ago
  Are you from Philippines? From what I know people there are quite happy of Duterte work despite the overzealous rhetoric. If you are in US I can't see how can you criticise him given that death penalty is quite widespread there and a lot of times the trial is a farce especially if you are black.
  - varjag 9y ago
    German people were happy with Hitler too. And the US had death penalty in the 1930s.
  - anon1385 9y ago
    Do I need to have lived in Nazi Germany to talk about the crimes of the Nazis? I'm not from the US and I'm a vocal critic of US governments, past and present. But even if I was American, the actions of the US government wouldn't be something it was within my power to change and wouldn't be relevant to what Duterte is doing. Adopting the rhetoric of the Stalinist USSR isn't helping your case here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
    - tigershark 9y ago
      You need at least to know something about the things that you speak about. I can't really stand people that feel entitled to babel about everything without having the slightest idea of the subject they are discussing.
      - wyclif 9y ago
        Well, as I said above, I'm in the Philippines, and I'm here to tell you that it's rather troubling what's going on here from a civil rights perspective. Hundreds of journalists have been killed here since the era of the Marcos administration, and the Philippines (and Pakistan!) are among the most dangerous countries in the world for journalists.
        9y ago

by jister 9y ago

anon1385 9y ago

For those reading this thread who aren't aware of what's happening in the Philippines, this is the guy that you are defending: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/30/rodrigo-duterte-vows-to-kill-3-million-drug-addicts-and-likens-himself-to-hitler https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/30/rodrigo-dutert... >Rodrigo Duterte vows to kill 3 million drug addicts and likens himself to Hitler

jister 9y ago
For those who are only relying their information on the internet and who are not physically present in the Philippines that's a rhetoric.
- cyberpunk0 9y ago
  Mass murder is mass murder even if a populace is brainwashed, though I would would wager when you have death squads wandering around and use the cover of drugs to take out political opponents to gain power most people would side with you out of fear anyway, like most oppressive dictatorships. People like you are disgusting, you want to support such mass murder on genocidal levels fine but don't be surprised when people shun you. If it we're up to me you should be the one getting murdered for supporting this shit rather than all the innocents killed so far and pending due to fucking chemicals.
  - jister 9y ago
    People who have not been in the Philippines and are saying things that they don't know are just plain ignorant. For you to even accuse me of being disgusting just proves how naive you are about me and my country.
    - jpamata 9y ago
      It is disgusting to support an administration that lies about the statistics of drugs to justify their failing war on drugs that has also taken the lives of innocents from children to bystanders (which the government simply called as "collateral damage" [0]). How many times has our government lied to us about the statistics? 2015 - 1.8 Million Drug Users from a study by the Dangerous Drug Board [1] 2016 - Duterte claims that there are 3.7 Million Addicts in the country [2] 2016 - Months later, Duterte claims that there'd be 4 Million by the end of September [3] 2017 - On May, Philippine Drug Agency says there's now 4.7 Million Addicts [4] 2017 - On September, Foreign Affairs Secretary (and Duterte's VP running mate) hiked the number to 7 Million Drug Addicts at a UN Assembly [5] Tell me, if his war on drugs is such a success, then why is the number of junkies growing? sources: [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/17/duterte-says-children-killed-in-philippines-drug-war-are-collateral-damage https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/17/duterte-says-c... [1] https://www.rappler.com/nation/146654-drug-use-survey-results-dangerous-drugs-board-philippines-2015 https://www.rappler.com/nation/146654-drug-use-survey-result... [2] http://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/07/25/16/read-transcript-of-president-dutertes-1st-sona http://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/07/25/16/read-transcript-of-pr... [3] http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/09/23/1626648/duterte-hikes-philippines-drug-use-figure-anew-despite-little-evidence http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/09/23/1626648/duterte... [4] http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/05/04/1696547/pdea-philippines-has-4.7-m-drug-users http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/05/04/1696547/pdea-ph... [5] http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/09/28/1743577/cayetano-hikes-figure-drug-addicts-philippines-7-million http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/09/28/1743577/cayetan...
      - 659087 9y ago
        The number is "growing" to give Duterte and his friends justification to ramp up and continue their mass murder campaign and allow them to continue convincing the brainwashed masses that they're in constant danger and need their "protection" from the evil drug zombie hordes.
- anon1385 9y ago
  Are you suggesting that the video of that press conference is fabricated? Why is my physical location relevant to criticising death squads executing people in the street?
  - jister 9y ago
    Your physical location is relevant because your knowledge about what's going on in the Philippines is very limited. The fact that you are saying about death squads proves my point. THERE ARE NO DEATH SQUADS HERE! Watching a few videos doesn't make you an expert about Philippines.
    - jinonoel 9y ago
      I'm from the Philippines. Am I allowed to comment? There absolutely are police death squads roaming around, so much that Philippine National Police's involvement in the drug war had to be removed after there was too much outrage from the populace. They were even caught executing unarmed kids on CCTV for fuck's sake. Just because you're biased towards our fucktard President and can't accept the truth doesn't mean others are just as blind as you.
      - jister 9y ago
        The "death squads" or criminals that you are referring too are already part of the police several presidency before Duterte took office. Some of them are involve in drugs and have been killing before Duterte came so why are you blaming the president now?
        jinonoel 9y ago
        Because back then we didn't have a president that encouraged cops to just kill: http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/07/02/1598740/duterte-pnp-kill-1000-ill-protect-you http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/07/02/1598740/duterte... Or congratulated cops after they killed 58 people during drug raids in a single week: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/17/544128734/-that-s-good-philippine-president-says-as-drug-raids-kill-unprecedented-numbers https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/17/544128734.... Those drug raids lead to the CCTV footage of cops executing an unarmed 16-year old kid who was already in handcuffs, btw. Or has repeatedly vowed to pardon and ask for the reinstatement of the cops that have been charged with the murder of a drug lord inside his jail cell in the middle of the night: http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/03/31/17/duterte-vows-anew-to-pardon-promote-cops-who-killed-espinosa http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/03/31/17/duterte-vows-anew-to-p.... Those cops are now free on bail
- daveFNbuck 9y ago
  What do you mean when you say that's a rhetoric? How does that make it ok when he's saying he wants to be like Hitler and slaughter 3 million people?
  - jister 9y ago
    it might not be okay in your country but in ours in came to a point that criminals here are not afraid of the law anymore. on my way to work i saw a criminal stabbed someone in broad daylight and then walk away like noting happened without fearing the police which is just a few blocks away.
    - daveFNbuck 9y ago
      Do you think Nazi Germany is a good model for how to fix your country?
tigershark 9y ago
Are you from Philippines? From what I know people there are quite happy of Duterte work despite the overzealous rhetoric. If you are in US I can't see how can you criticise him given that death penalty is quite widespread there and a lot of times the trial is a farce especially if you are black.
- varjag 9y ago
  German people were happy with Hitler too. And the US had death penalty in the 1930s.
- anon1385 9y ago
  Do I need to have lived in Nazi Germany to talk about the crimes of the Nazis? I'm not from the US and I'm a vocal critic of US governments, past and present. But even if I was American, the actions of the US government wouldn't be something it was within my power to change and wouldn't be relevant to what Duterte is doing. Adopting the rhetoric of the Stalinist USSR isn't helping your case here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
  - tigershark 9y ago
    You need at least to know something about the things that you speak about. I can't really stand people that feel entitled to babel about everything without having the slightest idea of the subject they are discussing.
    - wyclif 9y ago
      Well, as I said above, I'm in the Philippines, and I'm here to tell you that it's rather troubling what's going on here from a civil rights perspective. Hundreds of journalists have been killed here since the era of the Marcos administration, and the Philippines (and Pakistan!) are among the most dangerous countries in the world for journalists.
      - 9y ago