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Thank you for the insight. It seems to me people in the western world/media just can't accept that leaders in other countries can genuinely have high approvals

by Joe-Z 9y ago

Thank you for the insight. It seems to me people in the western world/media just can't accept that leaders in other countries can genuinely have high approvals in the population despite behaving dictatorial and using violence (I'm also thinking of people like Putin and Erdogan here). This is something that we've (we as in western europeans) also had our fair share of and thought it over and done with. The reality seems to be though that time and again crises arise which enable violent/dictatorial leaders to rise to power. I don't try to defend anything Duterte's doing here. In fact I don't really know too much about what he's done, other than the horrendous 'everbody's free to kill drug dealers' policy. I just don't like that so many news outlets seem to be fixated on discrediting genuine approval and followings as all just being 'fake news'.

Joe-Z 9y ago
Please people, tell me what is wrong with this comment! Tear me up, show me my errors, make me understand, but don't just downvote me and leave me in the dark.
- mythrwy 9y ago
  What is wrong with that comment is very simple. It suggests the unthinkable possibility that a leader, whom the downvoter doesn't care for, may actually be popular with others. And that just can't be right, it has to be all propaganda and fake news causing this mistaken popularity. Similar to "Russians stole the election!" in the US. It's a failure to comprehend or accept people have different backgrounds, beliefs and values and a certainty that preference and political opinion are objective truth. Because you suggested many people may in fact possibly support Duarte, you threaten the illusion which is tantamount to supporting Duarte yourself in the mind of the downvoter. It really is a shockingly form of mental myopia from otherwise intelligent people and renders them unable to accurately predict and understand large chunks of the world (like last election in US). Whether it's politics, religion, unrealistic business goals or unrealistic career goals ("I'm going to be a famous rap artist or else play in the NBA!") I think there is simply no way to get hated on faster than attempting to ground an illusion with reality. You become perceived as part of the problem when you do that. (Still needs to be done though IMOP).
- Micoloth 9y ago
  Man.. Nobody has ever said Duerte isn't supported by the population. All dictators have some kind of support, otherwise they could never govern. People is saying two things. First we (as western world) know dictatorship is bad, because exactly how you said, we've been there. Expecially Europe. US has actually never tried it. But we actually know what happens. Second, we also know that to get to power dictators always have to use extremely violent or aggressive techniques. Maybe by condemning these we could prevent dictatorships and all the crap that follows altogheter. Besides, it's instead entirely possible to me that this is an unskippable step in a country's history, and people have to go through that phase and try it on their skin, so whatever. The point of the artcle was more about the role of Facebook into this anyway.

by Joe-Z 9y ago

Joe-Z 9y ago

Please people, tell me what is wrong with this comment! Tear me up, show me my errors, make me understand, but don't just downvote me and leave me in the dark.

mythrwy 9y ago
What is wrong with that comment is very simple. It suggests the unthinkable possibility that a leader, whom the downvoter doesn't care for, may actually be popular with others. And that just can't be right, it has to be all propaganda and fake news causing this mistaken popularity. Similar to "Russians stole the election!" in the US. It's a failure to comprehend or accept people have different backgrounds, beliefs and values and a certainty that preference and political opinion are objective truth. Because you suggested many people may in fact possibly support Duarte, you threaten the illusion which is tantamount to supporting Duarte yourself in the mind of the downvoter. It really is a shockingly form of mental myopia from otherwise intelligent people and renders them unable to accurately predict and understand large chunks of the world (like last election in US). Whether it's politics, religion, unrealistic business goals or unrealistic career goals ("I'm going to be a famous rap artist or else play in the NBA!") I think there is simply no way to get hated on faster than attempting to ground an illusion with reality. You become perceived as part of the problem when you do that. (Still needs to be done though IMOP).
Micoloth 9y ago
Man.. Nobody has ever said Duerte isn't supported by the population. All dictators have some kind of support, otherwise they could never govern. People is saying two things. First we (as western world) know dictatorship is bad, because exactly how you said, we've been there. Expecially Europe. US has actually never tried it. But we actually know what happens. Second, we also know that to get to power dictators always have to use extremely violent or aggressive techniques. Maybe by condemning these we could prevent dictatorships and all the crap that follows altogheter. Besides, it's instead entirely possible to me that this is an unskippable step in a country's history, and people have to go through that phase and try it on their skin, so whatever. The point of the artcle was more about the role of Facebook into this anyway.