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One of the worst videos I've seen on the internet is the Daniel Shaver execution from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw https://www.youtube

One of the worst videos I've seen on the internet is the Daniel Shaver execution from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw The Sergeant (voice in the vid) thinks he's fucking Jigsaw, and he wasn't even the guy that pulled the trigger. America is fucked.

cies 9y ago
And it's one of many, just in 2017 and on camera. > America is fucked. Yups. Unless when you have a lot of money/influence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo
- jopsen 9y ago
  While guns are disproportionately aimed at poor people and minorities, bullets generally kill indiscriminately of wealth once fired. I don't understand why rich Americans let it sink so far...
  - cies 9y ago
    > While guns are disproportionately aimed at poor people and minorities, bullets generally kill indiscriminately of wealth once fired. No idea what you are trying to say here...
bufferoverflow 9y ago
What's the percentage of the police killing are unjustified though? Even in this video the guy is reaching behind his back a couple of times, while being told to keep them visible.
- albertgoeswoof 9y ago
  By those rules you can make any shooting justifiable. The man in the video is clearly distressed and trying to obey. The officer escalates the situation significantly.
  - bufferoverflow 9y ago
    I didn't say this shooting was justified, I said he was reaching, and the cop didn't shoot him when that happened.
- mitchellberry 9y ago
  You watched the entire video? It's 5 minutes of conflicting instructions and repeated death threats by a man heavily covered in tattoos carrying an assualt rifle with the words "you're f*ed" engraved on it. How were the multiple police officers incapable of handcuffing the clearly compliant crying victim in 5 whole mins? Am amazed anyone watching that could possibly defend it.
  - riffraff 9y ago
    I looked at the video and I was expecting some semi-threatening move, like suddenly standing up or something. Nope, just randomly shoot the guy. This is insane. Also, how was not the behaviour "stay on the ground, and my colleague will come and handcuff you ASAP". Where the hell are _other_ cops?
    - eeZah7Ux 9y ago
      > I was expecting some semi-threatening move Hold on. An unarmed person standing up an even yelling or walking towards the cop it's still clearly not a serious threat and would not justify shooting in most "first" countries! Let's not normalize the idea of "extreme self defence".
      - riffraff 9y ago
        I didn't mean to imply it'd be "justified" in a legal or moral sense to shoot someone because one feels threatened. But I can imagine being scared shitless and pulling the trigger because of a sudden perceived threat, which is why this video felt shocking to me. I obviously don't see why the shooter thought shooting was reasonable, but I also cannot imagine why he felt so threatened to be forced to shoot.
    - aquadrop 9y ago
      Yes, that's absolutely insane, I don't have words to describe how insane it is and all that was acquitted... And what's worse, they are all (policemen) on it. One guy shouts moronic commands, another one kills a man for nothing. They have "I'm your God and I decide what happens"-complex. That monster who shot the guy should have been disarmed and handcuffed on the spot for a murder, and get a life sentence. All that "I was afraid for my life" for anything BS should stop, cops are so afraid for their lives they're going to kill everyone for it. And everybody acts like it's normal there, and in the end it's all ok, keep going. Thank god I don't need to go to USA, because I'm afraid I can meet such moronic cops accidentally there.
albertgoeswoof 9y ago
This is absolutely shocking.
Shivetya 9y ago
No, America is not fucked. If these videos did not have impact then we would be fucked. That they are still so shocking shows that we haven't become police state dystopia that we see in fiction or sadly in parts of this world.
- jopsen 9y ago
  the number of cases dismissed doesn't alarm you? sure, it could be worse...
- smcl 9y ago
  The general public can be as shocked as we like, but these things continue to happen and the police get away with it. That video shows a policeman taking immense pleasure in toying with and ultimately murdering someone, knowing he can do anything he likes because the system has his back. America may not be "fucked" yet, but I've no idea how you'll stop the slide into becoming a police state.
- always_good 9y ago
  How exactly does being shocked move the needle on how many militarized power-tripping clowns there are on the police force? How's that going to change the incumbent culture of badge protection? Being shocked certainly hasn't stopped it from happening. So what's the secret? I'm shocked this time because I haven't seen footage so bad. But I won't be shocked the next time...
  - tomalpha 9y ago
    Not OP, and not quite he same argument, but at least you’re still shocked. That might be cold comfort to the dead man, but it does suggest there could be a glimmer of hope. If everyone stops being shocked at things like this, it will have been completely normalized. As soon as you’re at the point where someone can say unchallenged something like “oh yeah, another black man’s been shot, who cares”, then perhaps there’s less hope. The US isn’t there yet is it?
- brohee 9y ago
  What impact did the video have? The murderer got acquitted...
gtirloni 9y ago
After watching the video, I couldn't believe how badly trained the police officer was. It was pretty amateurish, which was very shocking in a situation were one person is carrying an AR-15. However, what baffled me in the end was this: "Ex-Arizona police officer acquitted of murder in shooting of unarmed man" [0] To me this shows that the issue is not isolated to this single man, but points to a system that has become rotten. 0 - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/arizona-police-shooting-philip-brailsford-acquitted https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/arizona-poli...
- tomalpha 9y ago
  > I couldn’t believe how badly trained the police officer was Is there a study anywhere that tries to correlate amount/quality-of-police-training and deaths involving police? I think that could be really interesting.
ramonakira 9y ago
Maybe interesting to compare to this video of a takedown by Dutch police of a guy who started breaking the windows of a kosher restaurant in Amsterdam. 1) keep your distance 2) use pepper spray 3) wait for the right moment when no one (not even the suspect) will get hurt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYuS6i3Ynpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYuS6i3Ynpk
scruple 9y ago
And he (the officer, Philip Brailsford) was just found not guilty of second-degree murder 2 days ago. Fucked, indeed.
yalph 9y ago
Its one of the worst things I have seen in my life.
cies 9y ago
UPDATE: Agent cleared of charges... (As expected) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42277309 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42277309 Just to reiterate: > America is fucked.

cies 9y ago

And it's one of many, just in 2017 and on camera. > America is fucked. Yups. Unless when you have a lot of money/influence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo

jopsen 9y ago
While guns are disproportionately aimed at poor people and minorities, bullets generally kill indiscriminately of wealth once fired. I don't understand why rich Americans let it sink so far...
- cies 9y ago
  > While guns are disproportionately aimed at poor people and minorities, bullets generally kill indiscriminately of wealth once fired. No idea what you are trying to say here...

bufferoverflow 9y ago

What's the percentage of the police killing are unjustified though? Even in this video the guy is reaching behind his back a couple of times, while being told to keep them visible.

albertgoeswoof 9y ago
By those rules you can make any shooting justifiable. The man in the video is clearly distressed and trying to obey. The officer escalates the situation significantly.
- bufferoverflow 9y ago
  I didn't say this shooting was justified, I said he was reaching, and the cop didn't shoot him when that happened.
mitchellberry 9y ago
You watched the entire video? It's 5 minutes of conflicting instructions and repeated death threats by a man heavily covered in tattoos carrying an assualt rifle with the words "you're f*ed" engraved on it. How were the multiple police officers incapable of handcuffing the clearly compliant crying victim in 5 whole mins? Am amazed anyone watching that could possibly defend it.
- riffraff 9y ago
  I looked at the video and I was expecting some semi-threatening move, like suddenly standing up or something. Nope, just randomly shoot the guy. This is insane. Also, how was not the behaviour "stay on the ground, and my colleague will come and handcuff you ASAP". Where the hell are _other_ cops?
  - eeZah7Ux 9y ago
    > I was expecting some semi-threatening move Hold on. An unarmed person standing up an even yelling or walking towards the cop it's still clearly not a serious threat and would not justify shooting in most "first" countries! Let's not normalize the idea of "extreme self defence".
    - riffraff 9y ago
      I didn't mean to imply it'd be "justified" in a legal or moral sense to shoot someone because one feels threatened. But I can imagine being scared shitless and pulling the trigger because of a sudden perceived threat, which is why this video felt shocking to me. I obviously don't see why the shooter thought shooting was reasonable, but I also cannot imagine why he felt so threatened to be forced to shoot.
  - aquadrop 9y ago
    Yes, that's absolutely insane, I don't have words to describe how insane it is and all that was acquitted... And what's worse, they are all (policemen) on it. One guy shouts moronic commands, another one kills a man for nothing. They have "I'm your God and I decide what happens"-complex. That monster who shot the guy should have been disarmed and handcuffed on the spot for a murder, and get a life sentence. All that "I was afraid for my life" for anything BS should stop, cops are so afraid for their lives they're going to kill everyone for it. And everybody acts like it's normal there, and in the end it's all ok, keep going. Thank god I don't need to go to USA, because I'm afraid I can meet such moronic cops accidentally there.

albertgoeswoof 9y ago

This is absolutely shocking.

Shivetya 9y ago

No, America is not fucked. If these videos did not have impact then we would be fucked. That they are still so shocking shows that we haven't become police state dystopia that we see in fiction or sadly in parts of this world.

jopsen 9y ago
the number of cases dismissed doesn't alarm you? sure, it could be worse...
smcl 9y ago
The general public can be as shocked as we like, but these things continue to happen and the police get away with it. That video shows a policeman taking immense pleasure in toying with and ultimately murdering someone, knowing he can do anything he likes because the system has his back. America may not be "fucked" yet, but I've no idea how you'll stop the slide into becoming a police state.
always_good 9y ago
How exactly does being shocked move the needle on how many militarized power-tripping clowns there are on the police force? How's that going to change the incumbent culture of badge protection? Being shocked certainly hasn't stopped it from happening. So what's the secret? I'm shocked this time because I haven't seen footage so bad. But I won't be shocked the next time...
- tomalpha 9y ago
  Not OP, and not quite he same argument, but at least you’re still shocked. That might be cold comfort to the dead man, but it does suggest there could be a glimmer of hope. If everyone stops being shocked at things like this, it will have been completely normalized. As soon as you’re at the point where someone can say unchallenged something like “oh yeah, another black man’s been shot, who cares”, then perhaps there’s less hope. The US isn’t there yet is it?
brohee 9y ago
What impact did the video have? The murderer got acquitted...

gtirloni 9y ago

After watching the video, I couldn't believe how badly trained the police officer was. It was pretty amateurish, which was very shocking in a situation were one person is carrying an AR-15. However, what baffled me in the end was this: "Ex-Arizona police officer acquitted of murder in shooting of unarmed man" [0] To me this shows that the issue is not isolated to this single man, but points to a system that has become rotten. 0 - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/arizona-police-shooting-philip-brailsford-acquitted https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/arizona-poli...

tomalpha 9y ago
> I couldn’t believe how badly trained the police officer was Is there a study anywhere that tries to correlate amount/quality-of-police-training and deaths involving police? I think that could be really interesting.

ramonakira 9y ago

Maybe interesting to compare to this video of a takedown by Dutch police of a guy who started breaking the windows of a kosher restaurant in Amsterdam. 1) keep your distance 2) use pepper spray 3) wait for the right moment when no one (not even the suspect) will get hurt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYuS6i3Ynpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYuS6i3Ynpk

scruple 9y ago

And he (the officer, Philip Brailsford) was just found not guilty of second-degree murder 2 days ago. Fucked, indeed.

yalph 9y ago

Its one of the worst things I have seen in my life.

cies 9y ago

UPDATE: Agent cleared of charges... (As expected) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42277309 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42277309 Just to reiterate: > America is fucked.