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Not really. Anyone who is confident in the mainstream view of money, which requires the existence of a bank or government of some kind, would quickly dismiss B

Not really. Anyone who is confident in the mainstream view of money, which requires the existence of a bank or government of some kind, would quickly dismiss Bitcoin. If I cannot pay my taxes or mortgage with it, why should I accept it? (And of course, if I can pay my taxes and mortgage, how can anyone claim to have removed the central authority from money? Just like the gold standard, nothing would prevent a government from changing its mind about whether or not to accept Bitcoin for tax payments.) Like I said, if you already believe that money can exist without a central authority, Bitcoin simply serves as validation. Otherwise it does not really change anything, because if you accept mainstream views of money, then the premise of Bitcoin makes no sense at all. You think Bitcoin is a decentralized store of value? Tell that to all those people whining about the Mtgox bankruptcy proceeding, which is being resolved by paying for the lost BTC according to the price in Yen at the time Mtgox declared bankruptcy which is a tiny fraction of the current prices. When push comes to shove the "value" being stored is measured in fiat currency, with all its associated central authorities.

Frogolocalypse 9y ago
> Anyone who is confident in the mainstream view of money That belief structure is being challenged as we speak. > Tell that to all those people whining about the Mtgox bankruptcy proceeding The only thing that proved, is that you can't trust a bank.
sumedh 9y ago
> Tell that to all those people whining about the Mtgox bankruptcy proceeding Not sure what your point is, dollars(cash) can be stolen as well.
- betterunix2 9y ago
  The context: MtGox is currently going through a bankruptcy proceeding in Japan. The complaint right now is that the creditors i.e. people who had accounts with positive BTC balances when MtGox declared bankruptcy will be repaid in JPY, according to the price of their BTC balance when MtGox declared bankruptcy in 2014. Since then, the value of BTC has obviously increased quite a lot, so much so that MtGox can actually use its remaining BTC assets to repay those creditors, leaving plenty of BTC to pay the shareholders. In other words, even if you think Bitcoin acts as a "store of value," that still does not make it "money" according to the law. You can have 1BTC or 100BTC, but the law is only concerned with the monetary (i.e. fiat currency) value at some particular time (not necessarily right now).
  - Frogolocalypse 9y ago
    Ergo : Don't trust banks.
    - betterunix2 9y ago
      ...the same would apply if I had promised to pay you in BTC and then failed to make that payment. This is not really about trusting banks.
      - Frogolocalypse 9y ago
        Actually it is.
colordrops 9y ago
> You think Bitcoin is a decentralized store of value? Tell that to all those people whining about the Mtgox bankruptcy proceeding That is a gross misrepresentation and a misunderstanding of the point of a decentralized store of value. "All those people whining about the Mtgox bankruptcy proceeding" were not using a decentralized store of value. They were using a centralized broker that handled things for them. If they kept their own private keys and managed their coins directly, in a decentralized way, they would be still whole today.

Frogolocalypse 9y ago

> Anyone who is confident in the mainstream view of money That belief structure is being challenged as we speak. > Tell that to all those people whining about the Mtgox bankruptcy proceeding The only thing that proved, is that you can't trust a bank.

sumedh 9y ago

> Tell that to all those people whining about the Mtgox bankruptcy proceeding Not sure what your point is, dollars(cash) can be stolen as well.

betterunix2 9y ago
The context: MtGox is currently going through a bankruptcy proceeding in Japan. The complaint right now is that the creditors i.e. people who had accounts with positive BTC balances when MtGox declared bankruptcy will be repaid in JPY, according to the price of their BTC balance when MtGox declared bankruptcy in 2014. Since then, the value of BTC has obviously increased quite a lot, so much so that MtGox can actually use its remaining BTC assets to repay those creditors, leaving plenty of BTC to pay the shareholders. In other words, even if you think Bitcoin acts as a "store of value," that still does not make it "money" according to the law. You can have 1BTC or 100BTC, but the law is only concerned with the monetary (i.e. fiat currency) value at some particular time (not necessarily right now).
- Frogolocalypse 9y ago
  Ergo : Don't trust banks.
  - betterunix2 9y ago
    ...the same would apply if I had promised to pay you in BTC and then failed to make that payment. This is not really about trusting banks.
    - Frogolocalypse 9y ago
      Actually it is.

colordrops 9y ago

> You think Bitcoin is a decentralized store of value? Tell that to all those people whining about the Mtgox bankruptcy proceeding That is a gross misrepresentation and a misunderstanding of the point of a decentralized store of value. "All those people whining about the Mtgox bankruptcy proceeding" were not using a decentralized store of value. They were using a centralized broker that handled things for them. If they kept their own private keys and managed their coins directly, in a decentralized way, they would be still whole today.