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How can we stop Bitcoin? If Bitcoin wins, we'll become subservient to an algorithm we have no incentive to change. It will only take a few more 10x increases
by sillysaurus3 9y ago
How can we stop Bitcoin?
If Bitcoin wins, we'll become subservient to an algorithm we have no incentive to change.
It will only take a few more 10x increases before people stop smiling at this possibility. The time to plan for subverting Bitcoin is now, not later.
I'm deeply concerned about the potential of Bitcoin to become a financial black hole. I've written about this twice before:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15867483 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15867483
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15864248 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15864248
The discussion was interesting, but not useful. We need plans, and we need them now, while there may still be time to do something about it.
The central question: If the entire resources of all world governments were brought to bear on the task of destroying Bitcoin, what would be the most effective way to do this?
I can't think of anything, and no one else has been able to either. Satoshi's email is prescient: http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/4/ http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/4/
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>[Lengthy exposition of vulnerability of a systm to use-of-force
>monopolies ellided.]
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>You will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography.
Yes, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of
freedom for several years.
Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled
networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be
holding their own.
Satoshi
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Why should you worry? I've articulated some of the concerns here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15867841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15867841
Ultimately, it may be hopeless to try to solve this. But I can't shake the feeling that we're staring at a 0.1% chance of life as we know it changing forever. We will lose all monetary controls.
Doomsday prophecies have a long and sordid history, but the dinosaurs only had to look up at the sky at the right time to see theirs approaching. And, like the meteor, Bitcoin keeps growing bigger and brighter.
Look at https://i.imgur.com/h0giZzF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/h0giZzF.jpg We won't be able to deal with cases like the 2008 crash. If the basis of the worlds' wealth becomes crypto, what will we do?
Madness of Crowds is worth reading: https://vantagepointtrading.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Charles_Mackay-Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds.pdf https://vantagepointtrading.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/C...
It was now that the frenzy of speculating began to seize upon the nation. Law's bank had
effected so much good, that any promises for the future which he thought proper to make
were readily believed. The Regent every day conferred new privileges upon the fortunate
projector. The bank obtained the monopoly of the sale of tobacco; the sole right of
refinage of gold and silver, and was finally erected into the Royal Bank of France. Amid
the intoxication of success, both Law and the Regent forgot the maxim so loudly
proclaimed by the former, that a banker deserved death who made issues of paper without
the necessary funds to provide for them. As soon as the bank, from a private, became a
public institution, the Regent caused a fabrication of notes to the amount of one thousand
millions of livres. This was the first departure from sound principles, and one for which
Law is not justly blameable. While the affairs of the bank were under his control, the
issues had never exceeded sixty millions. Whether Law opposed the inordinate increase
is not known, but as it took place as soon as the bank was made a royal establishment, it
is but fair to lay the blame of the change of system upon the Regent.
- CryptoPunk 9y agoYou don't have a right to dictate what abstract representation others choose to use to store their wealth. What you're promoting is using the power of criminal law to govern the private choices of other individuals. I'm not even going to address the faulty assumptions that go into your conclusion that voluntary adoption of Bitcoin would be economically harmful and would destroy wealth, because that's a separate issue from the fact that neither you, nor me, nor 51% of the population, have a legitimate right to use force to dictate how others choose to represent wealth and interact economically with each other.
- solotronics 9y agoyour own example invalidates your argument, we live under the regime of the central banker who prints money with reckless abandon and gives it out to his cronies. How many trillions has the federal reserve created since 2008? You are a misinformed fool.
- sillysaurus3 9y agoI was there during the 2008 crash. And I don't mean I remember it; I lived through it. It had devastating effects on the people in my life. One of them lost their business constructing buildings, and would have lost his house if he hadn't been able to get his old job back. And he wouldn't have been able to, had those bankers not injected the money into the system and persuaded the economy to keep turning. Bitcoin is gearing up to be the biggest financial disaster in all of human history. If it shows signs of winning, people all across the world will rush to transfer all of their currencies to BTC. What kind of upheaval do you think that will cause? More broadly, when your grand experiment encroaches on our ability to have a solid basis of wealth -- one that has worked for centuries -- what should we do? Are we supposed to sit here and watch you gain power and legitimacy without thinking of ways to stop it, rather than merely profiting off it? If the BTC bubble pops, it will be a massive relief. But it will only sit dormant, waiting years for speculators to pick it up again and form another bubble that gets the world excited. Someday, that bubble might encompass everyone. When it emerges that Satoshi has passed his coins to his family, and they become the next world leaders (by power if not by politics), what should we do when we don't agree with their methodologies? When we can't collect taxes? Or divert wealth to social programs like UBI?