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Can you give an overview of or pointers to critiques? My prior is that Krugman is more likely to by correct than the average crypto person, even after adjusting

Can you give an overview of or pointers to critiques? My prior is that Krugman is more likely to by correct than the average crypto person, even after adjusting for interest in and attention to crypto.

lend000 9y ago
For a celebrated economist, Krugman has a poor grasp of certain facets of economics. It's probably a subconscious way of rectifying his political views, which many of us are guilty of. In this case, he does not understand how Bitcoin can be a store of value, because it is not backed by a government. How come gold or any other commodity has value? Value it what the market decides, not the government. He obviously did not understand the intrinsic value the technology provides, which previous media of exchange do not provide, such as immutability and full control of funds. He is happy to pass judgment without understanding the technology.
- the_gastropod 9y ago
  How are immutability and “full control of funds” intrinsically valuable?
  - max_ 9y ago
    That's like asking why laws firms & and security agencies exist.
    - the_gastropod 9y ago
      Intrinsic value has a well-understood meaning in economics. Bitcoin, like any currency, has no intrinsic value, regardless of these neat features.
      - lend000 9y ago
        > Intrinsic value has a well-understood meaning in economics. Bitcoin, like any currency, has no intrinsic value, regardless of these neat features. I don't think you understand the definition of intrinsic value -- it has nothing to do with being physical: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/intrinsicvalue.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/intrinsicvalue.asp Key quote: "The intrinsic value is the actual value of a company or an asset based on an underlying perception of its true value including all aspects of the business, in terms of both tangible and intangible factors.
        the_gastropod 9y ago
        Where did I imply intrinsic value requires physical presence? Businesses produce cash flow, and therefore ownership stakes (stocks) have intrinsic value. Gold is used in manufacturing and has an intrinsic value (lower than its traded value). Bitcoin has 0 intrinsic value. This is not a slight against Bitcoin, it's just a property of most currencies. Bitcoin is no exception. A good thought experiment for whether something has intrinsic value is: would <thing> still be useful if nobody else on the planet wanted it? A share in a business would continue paying out dividends, and would absolutely be useful. A dollar bill would be useless (especially if it's an electronic dollar). A bitcoin would also be absolutely useless.

lend000 9y ago

For a celebrated economist, Krugman has a poor grasp of certain facets of economics. It's probably a subconscious way of rectifying his political views, which many of us are guilty of. In this case, he does not understand how Bitcoin can be a store of value, because it is not backed by a government. How come gold or any other commodity has value? Value it what the market decides, not the government. He obviously did not understand the intrinsic value the technology provides, which previous media of exchange do not provide, such as immutability and full control of funds. He is happy to pass judgment without understanding the technology.

the_gastropod 9y ago
How are immutability and “full control of funds” intrinsically valuable?
- max_ 9y ago
  That's like asking why laws firms & and security agencies exist.
  - the_gastropod 9y ago
    Intrinsic value has a well-understood meaning in economics. Bitcoin, like any currency, has no intrinsic value, regardless of these neat features.
    - lend000 9y ago
      > Intrinsic value has a well-understood meaning in economics. Bitcoin, like any currency, has no intrinsic value, regardless of these neat features. I don't think you understand the definition of intrinsic value -- it has nothing to do with being physical: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/intrinsicvalue.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/intrinsicvalue.asp Key quote: "The intrinsic value is the actual value of a company or an asset based on an underlying perception of its true value including all aspects of the business, in terms of both tangible and intangible factors.
      - the_gastropod 9y ago
        Where did I imply intrinsic value requires physical presence? Businesses produce cash flow, and therefore ownership stakes (stocks) have intrinsic value. Gold is used in manufacturing and has an intrinsic value (lower than its traded value). Bitcoin has 0 intrinsic value. This is not a slight against Bitcoin, it's just a property of most currencies. Bitcoin is no exception. A good thought experiment for whether something has intrinsic value is: would <thing> still be useful if nobody else on the planet wanted it? A share in a business would continue paying out dividends, and would absolutely be useful. A dollar bill would be useless (especially if it's an electronic dollar). A bitcoin would also be absolutely useless.