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I remember this patent threat http://royvanrijn.com/blog/2010/07/patent-infringement http://royvanrijn.com/blog/2010/07/patent-infringement and lost any respect

I remember this patent threat http://royvanrijn.com/blog/2010/07/patent-infringement http://royvanrijn.com/blog/2010/07/patent-infringement and lost any respect I had for them.

Godel_unicode 9y ago
I understand being angry at patent trolls, but you are aware that Shazam isn't one correct? They actually use the patented IP in question. Even patent attorneys in his own country effectively told him he's likely infringing.
- dawkins 9y ago
  I know they are not the same as a patent troll but I find repulsive the idea of silencing and threatening this guy: > I’ve written some code (100% my own) and implemented my own methods for matching music. There are some key differences with the algorithm Shazam uses. The code isn’t published yet, but I was planning on releasing it under Apache License to the open source community soon Edit: of course if you are OK with software patents then it's perfectly logic. I am happy I don't live in a country where software patents exist.
- merb 9y ago
  IANAL but actually the "software" - patent "system" in european has been under changes since around ~2000 which means that there would not have been any problem in releasing his code... (https://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/epc/2016/e/ar52.html https://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/epc/2016/e...) (basically they are not de jure, but they would have a hard time to actually enforce this, if it is trivially). actually the lawyer did make a strange assumption.. well there would still be a problem if he ever want to travel outside the eu where somebody could actually claim the infrigdement. (Edit: in germany where I live there were patent processes about that matter in ~2000 and the federal court ruled in favor of the patent, however after/at the end of 2000 they basically always rejected them.)
  - germanier 9y ago
    The patentability of software has been significantly broadened since then in Germany, just look for example at the cases Dynamische Dokumentengenerierung and Routenplanung.
abritinthebay 9y ago
That’s more a case of bullshit IP Lawyers than Shazam being a problem.

I remember this patent threat http://royvanrijn.com/blog/2010/07/patent-infringement http://royvanrijn.com/blog/2010/07/patent-infringement and lost any respect I had for them.

Godel_unicode 9y ago

I understand being angry at patent trolls, but you are aware that Shazam isn't one correct? They actually use the patented IP in question. Even patent attorneys in his own country effectively told him he's likely infringing.

dawkins 9y ago
I know they are not the same as a patent troll but I find repulsive the idea of silencing and threatening this guy: > I’ve written some code (100% my own) and implemented my own methods for matching music. There are some key differences with the algorithm Shazam uses. The code isn’t published yet, but I was planning on releasing it under Apache License to the open source community soon Edit: of course if you are OK with software patents then it's perfectly logic. I am happy I don't live in a country where software patents exist.
merb 9y ago
IANAL but actually the "software" - patent "system" in european has been under changes since around ~2000 which means that there would not have been any problem in releasing his code... (https://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/epc/2016/e/ar52.html https://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/epc/2016/e...) (basically they are not de jure, but they would have a hard time to actually enforce this, if it is trivially). actually the lawyer did make a strange assumption.. well there would still be a problem if he ever want to travel outside the eu where somebody could actually claim the infrigdement. (Edit: in germany where I live there were patent processes about that matter in ~2000 and the federal court ruled in favor of the patent, however after/at the end of 2000 they basically always rejected them.)
- germanier 9y ago
  The patentability of software has been significantly broadened since then in Germany, just look for example at the cases Dynamische Dokumentengenerierung and Routenplanung.

abritinthebay 9y ago

That’s more a case of bullshit IP Lawyers than Shazam being a problem.