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By the way, you really think Coinbase's BTC is insured even after the massive gains in BTC's price? What do you think will happen if Coinbase's cold storage ge

By the way, you really think Coinbase's BTC is insured even after the massive gains in BTC's price? What do you think will happen if Coinbase's cold storage gets emptied? If you're storing your coins on Coinbase, you're doing it wrong. Get your coins under your control.

blibble 9y ago
seems unlikely imagine the premiums
tedunangst 9y ago
Some of it is insured (but unclear whether that includes cold or just hot funds). My real question is how the insurance is denominated. Does it pay out in dollars or bitcoins? Did their insurance premium just go up 10x?
- deleted 9y ago
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- babaganoosh89 9y ago
  All digital currency that Coinbase holds *online* is fully insured. The way they word it, only their hot wallet is insured which is ~<2% of holdings. They definitely like to make it confusing. https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/1662379-how-is-coinbase-insured https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/166237...
  - thesehands 9y ago
    Indeed, no mention of insurance on the offline storage page: https://www.coinbase.com/security?locale=en https://www.coinbase.com/security?locale=en
mattchristen 9y ago
FWIW this applies to any coins you don't personally hold the private key for not just BTC on Coinbase.
mmsmatt 9y ago
He who holds the keys holds the coins.
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  Bingo. Because the keys are the coins.
mirimir 9y ago
Yes! 1000x yes. If Bitcoin price tanks, it is 100% certain that Coinbase will either go down, or will lack requisite fiat. Better to have Bitcoin in your own wallet, and have more options to exchange for other cryptocurrencies.
- jaredklewis 9y ago
  The parent is commenting on coinbase’s ability to keep bitcoins safe. It is basically not possible for coinbase to “lack requisite fiat” as the requisite fiat to run an exchange is zero. Coinbase simply matches buyers and sellers. Not sure how a price crash would change anything.
ihaveahadron 9y ago
if coinbase isn't insured against that, that really does look like bitcoin is a long way from being in common use. ??
DoodleBuggy 9y ago
> If you're storing your coins on Coinbase, you're doing it wrong. Get your coins under your control. And what if you lose the USB key, hard drive, etc or it becomes damaged? Oops. Secure and reliable storage is a problem that must be solved.
- tudor14 9y ago
  just encrypt your btc keys with another secret key(symmetric key e.g. aes, blowfish or something else). Store them on different cloud providers, encrypted btc keys on google drive and the other secret key (password protect it) then store it on one drive or icloud or private repository on github. The hacker must hack both sites to take your keys(very unlikely to succeed) and they are both securely stored online. Also make sure you're not using the same password for both sites :)
  - c22 9y ago
    The attacker only has to hack your email account then reset the password on the two target sites...
    - alexktz 9y ago
      And then all they have is an encrypted file assuming good password hygiene.
      - c22 9y ago
        So then why not just email the keys to yourself and leave them in your inbox?
- tuxxy 9y ago
  Hardware wallets work by giving you a 24 word seed to recover it if lost, stolen, or broken. People store them in safety deposit boxes or do a variety of security rituals to keep them safe. It's not as difficult as you make it out to be.

blibble 9y ago

seems unlikely imagine the premiums

tedunangst 9y ago

Some of it is insured (but unclear whether that includes cold or just hot funds). My real question is how the insurance is denominated. Does it pay out in dollars or bitcoins? Did their insurance premium just go up 10x?

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babaganoosh89 9y ago
All digital currency that Coinbase holds *online* is fully insured. The way they word it, only their hot wallet is insured which is ~<2% of holdings. They definitely like to make it confusing. https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/1662379-how-is-coinbase-insured https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/166237...
- thesehands 9y ago
  Indeed, no mention of insurance on the offline storage page: https://www.coinbase.com/security?locale=en https://www.coinbase.com/security?locale=en

mattchristen 9y ago

FWIW this applies to any coins you don't personally hold the private key for not just BTC on Coinbase.

mmsmatt 9y ago

He who holds the keys holds the coins.

em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
Bingo. Because the keys are the coins.

mirimir 9y ago

Yes! 1000x yes. If Bitcoin price tanks, it is 100% certain that Coinbase will either go down, or will lack requisite fiat. Better to have Bitcoin in your own wallet, and have more options to exchange for other cryptocurrencies.

jaredklewis 9y ago
The parent is commenting on coinbase’s ability to keep bitcoins safe. It is basically not possible for coinbase to “lack requisite fiat” as the requisite fiat to run an exchange is zero. Coinbase simply matches buyers and sellers. Not sure how a price crash would change anything.

ihaveahadron 9y ago

if coinbase isn't insured against that, that really does look like bitcoin is a long way from being in common use. ??

DoodleBuggy 9y ago

> If you're storing your coins on Coinbase, you're doing it wrong. Get your coins under your control. And what if you lose the USB key, hard drive, etc or it becomes damaged? Oops. Secure and reliable storage is a problem that must be solved.

tudor14 9y ago
just encrypt your btc keys with another secret key(symmetric key e.g. aes, blowfish or something else). Store them on different cloud providers, encrypted btc keys on google drive and the other secret key (password protect it) then store it on one drive or icloud or private repository on github. The hacker must hack both sites to take your keys(very unlikely to succeed) and they are both securely stored online. Also make sure you're not using the same password for both sites :)
- c22 9y ago
  The attacker only has to hack your email account then reset the password on the two target sites...
  - alexktz 9y ago
    And then all they have is an encrypted file assuming good password hygiene.
    - c22 9y ago
      So then why not just email the keys to yourself and leave them in your inbox?
tuxxy 9y ago
Hardware wallets work by giving you a 24 word seed to recover it if lost, stolen, or broken. People store them in safety deposit boxes or do a variety of security rituals to keep them safe. It's not as difficult as you make it out to be.