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Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016
- stocktech 9y agoIf you want me to take you seriously talking about revenue, don't show me half a balance sheet.
- mintplant 9y agoLinks to the audited financial statements are available at the bottom of https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/
- pc2g4d 9y agoNB: The chart further down is in _thousands_ of dollars!
- slededit 9y agoI think the point is they should have shown a cash flow statement.
- rahimnathwani 9y agoYou don't need a cash flow statement to show revenue. And if the cash flow statement is prepared using the indirect method (start with net profit, and adjust non-cash items) it may not even show revenue at all.
- slededit 9y agoYou don't, but it works a hell of a lot better than a subset of a balance sheet at a single point in time.
- rahimnathwani 9y agoProbably, but sometimes both will be equally useless.
- boomboomsubban 9y agoWhy isn't a consolidated cash flow statement enough?
- mediaman 9y agoMozilla has $500mm in assets, most of which is fairly liquid, and less than $70mm in debt. Furthermore, they increased net assets by about a third in one year, and they cleared $160mm in profit from their $520mm in revenue. They are in a very good financial position.
- paul7986 9y agoFirefox, please I need my tabbed browsing back! One click and boom it opens a new tab after clicking a link, opening a bookmark, rendering a search result and etc! Tab Mix Plus made Firefox my default browser yet it’s not supported and or there’s new substitute :-( I reverted back to the previous release but then it seemed After a week to start displaying hacked behavior. Started opening tons of windows with each click.
- digi_owl 9y agoPale moon, Waterfox, maybe Basilisk. Firefox as we knew it is dead, mutilated by parents that wanted something else than what they ended up with.
- bigbugbag 9y agoGet over it, firefox is dead. Mozilla does not care the least about you or your needs. Your best option right now is waterfox (yup the name says it all), it has no plan of dropping support for "legacy" extensions and even has plan to offer its own add-on store to save the legacy extensions. https://waterfoxproject.org/ https://waterfoxproject.org/
- greglindahl 9y agoAs a TreeyStyleTabs fan, I am 100% happy with Firefox 57. As you probably know, no other browser (other than ones based on older Firefox versions) supports anything like Tab Mix Plus. And there's a reason for that.
- feelin_googley 9y ago"Mozilla ditched Yahoo recently however in favor of Google, two years before the five year contract would be up for renewal. The terms of the new deal with Google have not been revealed yet, and it remains to be seen whether this new deal will give Mozilla's revenue another boost in 2017." Apparently Firefox 57 when it is installed tries to switch the users default search engine to Google. Whether it asks for user permission to do so, I am not sure. Do the terms of the deal actually require them to do this?
- confounded 9y agoIt did for me.
- patall 9y agoIt certainly did not ask for me and just switched from startpage to Google. Also auto-installed the update (against my will) after I had voted to wait a few times, though that might have been autoupdate as it was on my work computer (have heard from others that it was not which I also suspect but I am too lazy to check). Mozilla is certainly losing trust with that, if it weren't for the lack of good alternatives...
- bigbugbag 9y agoThere is a good alternative called waterfox (yup the name says it all) and of the recent update disabled the dreaded auto update thing trying actively to get rid of your legacy extensions. https://waterfoxproject.org/ https://waterfoxproject.org/
- shostack 9y agoThe auto update happened to me too and broke all my good extensions including All In One Gestures and NoScript. How do you disable the auto update? For now I've manually installed an older compatible version.
- cryptoz 9y agoA few years ago when Mozilla switched from Google to Yahoo, they updated Firefox on my Mac and changed my default search from Google to Yahoo. It was not a new installation, it was an upgrade, and I was not asked about the switch.
- matchagaucho 9y agoAre Investments a tangible, liquid asset? Or is this line item from subjective valuations, like owning equity in private unicorns? That would seem to make a big difference in financial health.
- CaptSpify 9y agoI tend to voice a lot of upset opinions about Mozilla, but I am still grateful for the work they do. It's nice to see that they have such a big resource pool to work with, as they are one of the few groups that I think genuinely cares for it's users. It's also nice to be able to show other groups: Yes, you can be a "do good" company, and make a good living.
- leeoniya 9y ago> It's also nice to be able to show other groups: Yes, you can be a "do good" company, and make a good living. ...so long as a "don't be evil" mega-corp continues paying for it
- forapurpose 9y agoI don't think Google provided much revenue in 2016; Yahoo was the search provider in the U.S. Mozilla is not tied to Google.
- CaptSpify 9y agoI wouldn't consider Yahoo much better than Google either though...
- bigbugbag 9y agogoogle was the default search engine in the rest of the world where it has the most market share except maybe Russia, also this was a move by yahoo in order to help with selling their business at a non negative price tag.
- dao- 9y agoGoogle stopped paying Mozilla for that as their global deal expired and Mozilla signed with Yahoo.
- wutbrodo 9y agoThat's a silly way to look at it. They're paying for a service that Mozilla provides to them, as a business transaction. Being a "do good" company obviously doesn't mean requiring that of every one of your customers: There's not a company in the world that isn't economically connected to something you'd consider "evil" by a couple degrees of separation at most.
- staunch 9y agoThe Mozilla Treasurer and Chair are still taking $1M each, right? Why is this scandal going unreported? Are there really no experienced managers willing to run this potentially great organization for $300k/year? Why would we want people who are willing to take so much money from an open source project? Why are there 1200 people at Mozilla and so little product to show? Why do they constantly spend all of their revenue? Why is it continuing to lose marketshare? Why is there no oversight or improvement after years? It appears a lot like Mozilla is a corrupt organization taking bribes from its competitor (Google) to not actually compete. There may even be a need for government intervention. Mozilla spends all of its money, so it's in a perpetual state of needing more. Google probably makes it known that any serious competition would result in the money faucet being shut off. A competent and uncorrupt Mozilla could have built a Google Search competitor by now and even better browser. It's disappointing.
- bastawhiz 9y agoWhen making bold claims and assertions, you should cite facts.
- bigbugbag 9y agohonest question: what exactly in what he said are not facts ? Do mozilla not have 1200 employees and top people being paid 1M $ ?
- windlep 9y agoMozilla has around 1050 employee's give or take a dozen (at the Mozilla Corp at least, Mozilla Foundation has a few as well, but is accounted for separately afaik). Some top executives and board members are paid 1-3M according to documentation out there, sure. If you compare to other companies where they'd be in charge of as many people at a similar level, this is substantially under what they could demand. As an employee, they pay us well with great benefits, though I could likely make 2-3x as much at another company (just like the execs). I rather like Mozilla's mission and my work though, and the work-life balance is nice.
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- mozillanotnice 9y agoYes, and also continued to lose market share!* I wish they would stop changing the user interface so frequently. * https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/default.asp https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/default.asp
- bigbugbag 9y agoI beg to differ, I wish they would not remove the previous interface when introducing a new one and offer the user the freedom to choose the one she prefers. This is one major gripe I have with mozilla and firefox: depriving the user of the freedom to choose and forcing change upon them. This constant interface change is affecting many of the older people for whom I provide technical support. They all relied on classic theme restorer extension to be able to use their browser and dropping support for the "legacy" extension gave them a hard time and the solution has been to drop firefox for waterfox or to drop the computer to get one of those tablets.
- paulryanrogers 9y agoI agree the unnecessary change is tiresome. Unfortunately some influential folks prefer to treat UI like fashion. That said, there are times when UIs must change to accommodate new interface devices like touch screens. And maintaining both old and new forever is impractical.
- forapurpose 9y ago> This is one major gripe I have with mozilla and firefox Looking at this page, you seem to have more than one ...
- bigbugbag 9y agoYes I do, accumulation over time. Though most of the other I have are mostly affecting only me and my personal life. This one is affecting my professional life in a significant way as I have spent years pushing firefox to my clients cross platforms as a champion and good example of floss, and each of these changes not only impact my credibility with my clients but significantly increase support requests in a limited time period. I'm also deeply unhappy about this particular one because I witness first hand how it impacts the daily life of people have a hard time dealing with computers (older people, handicapped kids or all kind of computer illiterate people) and robs the of their confidence and freedom to use their computer. I have a hard time dealing with these inconsiderate short sighted decisions as if everyone lived in California was breathing tech. This mozillazine comment sums it up better that I could : "Mozilla devs are making far-reaching and very short-sighted decisions in a vacuum." and I cannot agree more with it. I do have other major gripes but these are only towards mozilla not firefox. I actually thing that mozilla disappearing would be possible of the best thing to happen to firefox, without the arguably stupid decision making at the top firefox could be a top notch browser, or could have been sadly. It's hard to argue that Mozilla has not mismanaged firefox when the former mozilla CTO says so in a blog post where he also mentions that mozilla head of marketing uses google chrome everyday.
- StillBored 9y agoWell, i've been running firefox pretty consistently since I switched from Netscape all those years ago. I've tried pretty much every browser out there, and have a fair number of them installed but came back to FF... But 57, is likely the end. Yah, they fixed it. Its a little faster, but it still seems to consume RAM/CPU until my whole machine grinds to a halt. Previously, when it did this I could be assured that it likely wasn't consuming more than ~2GB and a little more than 100% of a core. So, unless they fix this decade long RAM/CPU consumption problem they have, i'm getting rid of it. I don't mind having to kill it every couple days, I just can't stand having to wait 30+ seconds for the task manager to swap in so that I can kill it. At least on linux I can constrain its resources, but i'm not going to run it in a VM (like I do java) just to have some control when it goes all piggy. (some of this is likely my own fault, and happens with other browsers too, since I haven't managed to cure my tabitus habit of failing to close tabs i still have interest in).
- wutbrodo 9y ago> (some of this is likely my own fault, and happens with other browsers too, since I haven't managed to cure my tabitus habit of failing to close tabs i'm still have way interested in). I have the same affliction as you, but extensions have helped a ton. I use The Great Suspender and Session Buddy on Chrome: I can use the former to "close" an entire window of tabs and then dive right into that group of tabs with a couple of clicks. The only downside has been that I must have an Internet connection to restore the tabs.
- nine_k 9y agoDoes Chrome fare any better?
- gmueckl 9y agoChrome has a serious issue with too many tabs open in the same window. Eventually the tabs cannot become any narrower and will ovwrflownto the right with no way to scroll. This is a known and unfixed issue since day one. So the Chrome UI does provide a sort of limit on the number of tabs you can reasonably have open and comparison becomes difficult. I use Vivaldi which is also based on blink and has a better UI for many tabs. This browser has way worse memory consumption than Firefox and I believe the results are similar to what you would get with Chrome.
- nsm 9y agoFor those who will come in and complain about why Mozilla needs so much money: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/12/maintaining-independent-browser-is.html http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/12/maintaining-independent-... discussed just a few days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15836027 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15836027
- ec109685 9y agoI imagine that if AOl had known the value of a browser back when they spun Netscape out, they would have made a different decision. Given Mozilla’s revenue and market share, it means Chrome is a multi billion dollar product.
- mwilliaams 9y agoWith the size of Chrome's market share it isn't just money; it's power too. Google has enormous control in this area, that is to say, the internet. I would expect a company like Facebook to worry about this near-monopoly and help out the competition, or possibly add to the competition by making its own browser. That's a browser I'd never trust. Facebook does have their apps though, which are independent from Chrome. But most people use Android, and Google controls that too.
- Vinnl 9y agoYeah, I'm often surprised Facebook hasn't published their own browser yet. Though then again I guess their other strategy is to move people away from browsers.
- iamgopal 9y agoMozilla should do Ubuntu.
- GordonS 9y agoWow, those income and expense figures are incredible! Am I the only one that didn't realise just how big Mozilla is?
- yitchelle 9y agoI am surprised as well, especially the point that they must own so much furniture that it is specifically mentioned in their assets sheet.