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Not to pile on, but my MBP (with "TouchBar" which will assuredly not exist in another year) is always in clamshell mode and connected to two external LG 4K disp

Not to pile on, but my MBP (with "TouchBar" which will assuredly not exist in another year) is always in clamshell mode and connected to two external LG 4K displays. Whether, on which screen(s), or in what state the Mac wakes each morning is completely random. Sometimes it doesn't wake at all. Sometimes I have artifacts on one screen and a desktop on another screen. The sleep/wake sequence is a complete mess, and it doesn't surprise me that the focus might sometimes be on apps running in the user session behind the lock screen.

jamesfmilne 9y ago
I have a similar problem running my touchbar Macbook Pro in clamshell mode via a CalDigit USB-C dock. All sorts of issues with it discovering USB devices when you plug the hub in too.
- malchow 9y ago
  Yes. One day a week my Logitech USB mouse is not recognized or powered by the MBP. Which day it will be is a crapshoot. If the Woodway treadmills at the Palo Alto Equinox had the same uptime as my Macbook Pro, I don't think certain Apple execs would be happy.
- bartvk 9y ago
  Really!? Me too. I have the USB discovery problem with two other hubs. It only recently started, maybe since 10.13.1 or so.
AckSyn 9y ago
I've seen that issue with LG displays at work, but when I get home and plug in the MBP to the setup there, (I have dual "Dell Ultra HD 4K Monitor P2415Q 24" displays on my 2017 15" Macbook Pro) there's never a problem. I'm inclined to believe it's the LG displays. Their washer/dryer appliances have some issues too, so I've learned to stay away from them.
1_2__4 9y ago
Let's all sit and reflect for a moment that Apple was the first (and for a long time, the only) company that used to get sleep/wake "right".
- cjsuk 9y ago
  And now I'm sad. This was one of the reasons I never adopted Linux on a laptop. Power management simply never worked. I used Windows for many years on a ThinkPad with Linux in a VM but this felt dirty. Bought a Mac and life was good. Well it was until 10.13. 50% of wake up events I have to log in to a trashed desktop now. It makes me long for a computer nailed to a bit of ethernet that is never turned off. Edit: also I just went through hell trying to get a USB to serial converter working on OSX. Not exactly a crap one, a Keysight U1173B with Prolific chipset.
  - chaostheory 9y ago
    Are you connecting to an external monitor? Sleep Wake still works fine for me. The other thing is that I didn't import anything from backup. It's a clean install.
    - cjsuk 9y ago
      Nope just internal screen. This was a clean install too. On 2013 rMBP.
  - tracker1 9y ago
    Using external displays, and half the time come back from sleep with most of my apps 95% off screen, it's annoying at best.
- rootusrootus 9y ago
  In my experience there have been problems for a while with sleep/wake if you have external monitors. I'm running 10.12 (work computer, no option for 10.13 yet), and I have three monitors connected to my MBP. I had to adopt a ritual about disconnecting the first screen, then lifting the lid a bit to activate the internal display, then disconnect the other two monitors, then close the lid. Otherwise more often than not when I woke my computer up next it would not have a usable desktop -- the dock would be on a nonexistent screen and could not be found. I got pretty used to using spotlight to load terminal and blind type 'sudo reboot'.
dawnerd 9y ago
Same problems as you, but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently. But holy hell do they need to work on their external monitor support. Yesterday I had one of my monitors randomly go black for a second. I’ve had audio over usbc just not show up anymore and it refusing to see my gigabit ethernet when waking up unless I unplug the actual ethernet cable. Simply amazing this passed their QA - and Id find it hard to believe no one at Apple uses clamshell mode with two monitors.
- arprocter 9y ago
  My iMac seems to get a 169 IP on wake-up about once a week No problems with my Debian or Win 7 boxes which are presumably on the same switch
  - chungy 9y ago
    That's a link-local IPv4 address, typically means that it hasn't got a lease from your DHCP server.
    - arprocter 9y ago
      Normally messing with the cable gets it to pick up a proper address. Strange that other two machines aren't effected if the DHCP server is to blame
- DoodleBuggy 9y ago
  > but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently. Strongly disagree, and I can not conceive of how it could be viewed as "better" than hardware keys. Maybe if they moved it above the FN row and we regained the hardware escape key, while making it a build to order option. Even then, I personally would have no interest in it, and neither would anyone else I know. I do not want to look at my hands while I type, ever.
  - brazzledazzle 9y ago
pixelHD 9y ago
Wow, I have similar issue. I have an acer 4k monitor at home with both HDMI and Display Ports. I used to use HDMI before to connect it to my 15inch 2016 MBP, and the mac used to crash very often. Close the mac, and connect the dongle with hdmi? crash. So I'd have to restart the mac, and connect the monitor while keeping it open, and then close. But once i disconnect the monitor - crash. I then got a usb c/thunderbolt to display port for 4k 60fps, and the issues significantly dropped, but it still occasionally happens.
- perfectstorm 9y ago
  I've noticed this crash as well. i've my MacBook Pro connected to an external monitor via an USB-C/Thunderbolt cable. I close my laptop when I leave work which would put it to sleep/lock and approx. 10% of the time when I come back the next day my machine wouldn't wake up and I've to do a hard restart. I can see some things flashing on my screen but the laptop screen would be completely blank.
mnm1 9y ago
Sleep / wake in this kind of setup has always been an issue with my 2013 rmbp. I'm not even on high Sierra. USB stuff doesn't wake up the computer. Opening the lid doesn't wake it up. Sometimes typing on the laptop itself doesn't work and it requires a hard reboot. It's been four years now and I've given up hope that Apple will ever get sleep / wake right. The reality is that Apple's software is absolute shit. OS X was the only software that wasn't shit. I can't think of a single counterexample otherwise. They take great software (like logic audio) and turn it to shit. It's incredible. Clearly macos follows in the shit tradition of iTunes, the legendary mother of Apple's shit software.
- tracker1 9y ago
  my usb hub and/or keyboard and/or mouse will often not be working when trying to come out of sleep.
SkyPuncher 9y ago
I have an OG MBP with the same problem. It's seems to have improved, but I still occasionally get kernel panics (?) when I resume with multiple monitors connected.
alex- 9y ago
I also have trouble keeping mac windows where I left them with external displays attached. I invested $15 in stay https://cordlessdog.com/stay/ https://cordlessdog.com/stay/ I would not say the problem is solved (it's not going to solve artifacts, etc), but it helped me.
DeadReckoning 9y ago
I have horrible sleep wake and external monitor problems on both my new macbook pros
willis77 9y ago
Same issues here. I dread having to unplug or shutdown my MBP connected to 2 external monitors because it means I'll have to reconfigure the displays.
pfranz 9y ago
Clamshell mode has notoriously been a problem for many years over a bunch of models. Sleep/wake has usually been way better than Windows or Linux, but has also had it's share of problems. The sleep/wake issues usually get fixed, the clamshell issues from what I've gathered get resolved less often.
- gurkendoktor 9y ago
  I've just bought my first MacBook Pro with a dedicated GPU this year, and I'm having WAY more tiny glitches than with the pure Intel machines I'd had before. (10.13 has thankfully fixed lots of them!) I love my 5K screen, but I hope I'll never have to buy a machine with GPU switching again.
  - pfranz 9y ago
    I'm really surprised Apple is still releasing MacBook Pros with gpu switching after all these years. They've always had serious problems and I figure they would stop selling them or make the major changes needed to resolve the issue. Thankfully, I haven't owned one, but I hear so much. Which sucks, because there are more and more nvidia-specific things I'd like to do on a mac laptop.
itbeho 9y ago
Very similar issues here. MBP Touchbar with one external 5K LG display. I love the LG when it works. Super frustrating when I I sit down and wake up the machine to find both displays flashing. Usually unplugging the LG clears things up, but replugging often results in the brightness on one display being set randomly.

jamesfmilne 9y ago

I have a similar problem running my touchbar Macbook Pro in clamshell mode via a CalDigit USB-C dock. All sorts of issues with it discovering USB devices when you plug the hub in too.

malchow 9y ago
Yes. One day a week my Logitech USB mouse is not recognized or powered by the MBP. Which day it will be is a crapshoot. If the Woodway treadmills at the Palo Alto Equinox had the same uptime as my Macbook Pro, I don't think certain Apple execs would be happy.
bartvk 9y ago
Really!? Me too. I have the USB discovery problem with two other hubs. It only recently started, maybe since 10.13.1 or so.

AckSyn 9y ago

I've seen that issue with LG displays at work, but when I get home and plug in the MBP to the setup there, (I have dual "Dell Ultra HD 4K Monitor P2415Q 24" displays on my 2017 15" Macbook Pro) there's never a problem. I'm inclined to believe it's the LG displays. Their washer/dryer appliances have some issues too, so I've learned to stay away from them.

1_2__4 9y ago

Let's all sit and reflect for a moment that Apple was the first (and for a long time, the only) company that used to get sleep/wake "right".

cjsuk 9y ago
And now I'm sad. This was one of the reasons I never adopted Linux on a laptop. Power management simply never worked. I used Windows for many years on a ThinkPad with Linux in a VM but this felt dirty. Bought a Mac and life was good. Well it was until 10.13. 50% of wake up events I have to log in to a trashed desktop now. It makes me long for a computer nailed to a bit of ethernet that is never turned off. Edit: also I just went through hell trying to get a USB to serial converter working on OSX. Not exactly a crap one, a Keysight U1173B with Prolific chipset.
- chaostheory 9y ago
  Are you connecting to an external monitor? Sleep Wake still works fine for me. The other thing is that I didn't import anything from backup. It's a clean install.
  - cjsuk 9y ago
    Nope just internal screen. This was a clean install too. On 2013 rMBP.
- tracker1 9y ago
  Using external displays, and half the time come back from sleep with most of my apps 95% off screen, it's annoying at best.
rootusrootus 9y ago
In my experience there have been problems for a while with sleep/wake if you have external monitors. I'm running 10.12 (work computer, no option for 10.13 yet), and I have three monitors connected to my MBP. I had to adopt a ritual about disconnecting the first screen, then lifting the lid a bit to activate the internal display, then disconnect the other two monitors, then close the lid. Otherwise more often than not when I woke my computer up next it would not have a usable desktop -- the dock would be on a nonexistent screen and could not be found. I got pretty used to using spotlight to load terminal and blind type 'sudo reboot'.

dawnerd 9y ago

Same problems as you, but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently. But holy hell do they need to work on their external monitor support. Yesterday I had one of my monitors randomly go black for a second. I’ve had audio over usbc just not show up anymore and it refusing to see my gigabit ethernet when waking up unless I unplug the actual ethernet cable. Simply amazing this passed their QA - and Id find it hard to believe no one at Apple uses clamshell mode with two monitors.

arprocter 9y ago
My iMac seems to get a 169 IP on wake-up about once a week No problems with my Debian or Win 7 boxes which are presumably on the same switch
- chungy 9y ago
  That's a link-local IPv4 address, typically means that it hasn't got a lease from your DHCP server.
  - arprocter 9y ago
    Normally messing with the cable gets it to pick up a proper address. Strange that other two machines aren't effected if the DHCP server is to blame
DoodleBuggy 9y ago
> but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently. Strongly disagree, and I can not conceive of how it could be viewed as "better" than hardware keys. Maybe if they moved it above the FN row and we regained the hardware escape key, while making it a build to order option. Even then, I personally would have no interest in it, and neither would anyone else I know. I do not want to look at my hands while I type, ever.
- brazzledazzle 9y ago

pixelHD 9y ago

Wow, I have similar issue. I have an acer 4k monitor at home with both HDMI and Display Ports. I used to use HDMI before to connect it to my 15inch 2016 MBP, and the mac used to crash very often. Close the mac, and connect the dongle with hdmi? crash. So I'd have to restart the mac, and connect the monitor while keeping it open, and then close. But once i disconnect the monitor - crash. I then got a usb c/thunderbolt to display port for 4k 60fps, and the issues significantly dropped, but it still occasionally happens.

perfectstorm 9y ago
I've noticed this crash as well. i've my MacBook Pro connected to an external monitor via an USB-C/Thunderbolt cable. I close my laptop when I leave work which would put it to sleep/lock and approx. 10% of the time when I come back the next day my machine wouldn't wake up and I've to do a hard restart. I can see some things flashing on my screen but the laptop screen would be completely blank.

mnm1 9y ago

Sleep / wake in this kind of setup has always been an issue with my 2013 rmbp. I'm not even on high Sierra. USB stuff doesn't wake up the computer. Opening the lid doesn't wake it up. Sometimes typing on the laptop itself doesn't work and it requires a hard reboot. It's been four years now and I've given up hope that Apple will ever get sleep / wake right. The reality is that Apple's software is absolute shit. OS X was the only software that wasn't shit. I can't think of a single counterexample otherwise. They take great software (like logic audio) and turn it to shit. It's incredible. Clearly macos follows in the shit tradition of iTunes, the legendary mother of Apple's shit software.

tracker1 9y ago
my usb hub and/or keyboard and/or mouse will often not be working when trying to come out of sleep.

SkyPuncher 9y ago

I have an OG MBP with the same problem. It's seems to have improved, but I still occasionally get kernel panics (?) when I resume with multiple monitors connected.

alex- 9y ago

I also have trouble keeping mac windows where I left them with external displays attached. I invested $15 in stay https://cordlessdog.com/stay/ https://cordlessdog.com/stay/ I would not say the problem is solved (it's not going to solve artifacts, etc), but it helped me.

DeadReckoning 9y ago

I have horrible sleep wake and external monitor problems on both my new macbook pros

willis77 9y ago

Same issues here. I dread having to unplug or shutdown my MBP connected to 2 external monitors because it means I'll have to reconfigure the displays.

pfranz 9y ago

Clamshell mode has notoriously been a problem for many years over a bunch of models. Sleep/wake has usually been way better than Windows or Linux, but has also had it's share of problems. The sleep/wake issues usually get fixed, the clamshell issues from what I've gathered get resolved less often.

gurkendoktor 9y ago
I've just bought my first MacBook Pro with a dedicated GPU this year, and I'm having WAY more tiny glitches than with the pure Intel machines I'd had before. (10.13 has thankfully fixed lots of them!) I love my 5K screen, but I hope I'll never have to buy a machine with GPU switching again.
- pfranz 9y ago
  I'm really surprised Apple is still releasing MacBook Pros with gpu switching after all these years. They've always had serious problems and I figure they would stop selling them or make the major changes needed to resolve the issue. Thankfully, I haven't owned one, but I hear so much. Which sucks, because there are more and more nvidia-specific things I'd like to do on a mac laptop.

itbeho 9y ago

Very similar issues here. MBP Touchbar with one external 5K LG display. I love the LG when it works. Super frustrating when I I sit down and wake up the machine to find both displays flashing. Usually unplugging the LG clears things up, but replugging often results in the brightness on one display being set randomly.